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The problem with tolerance | Madeleine Bunting | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

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For a secular godless age, there is one virtue we promulgate about ourselves at almost all opportunities: tolerance. Among the British values often celebrated by politicians is our capacity for tolerance. Schools are required to instil values of tolerance into millions of children; Muslims are told to be tolerant by David Cameron. Tolerance has become something of a founding mythology for western developed nations: our tolerance is regarded as a mark of our superiority over many less tolerant, less developed nations around the world. Our tolerance – in contrast to the intolerance of many of our ancestors – is evidence of the concept of historical progress.

Our ancestors may have ripped each other apart over small theological differences, they may have persecuted those with different sexual preferences or ethnic identity, but in this enlightened age, we tolerate diversity. It is the one virtue the state regularly exhorts us to demonstrate.

But far from being the kind of unequivocal virtue the politicians proclaim it to be, take a closer look and the word collapses under the weight of contradicting expectations. A closer look is exactly what Frank Furedi, a sociologist, offers in a new book On Tolerance, which will infuriate and delight in equal measure – and probably leave a lot of confusion in its wake.

The problem is that tolerance – understood in its classical liberal sense as a virtue essential to freedom – has been hijacked and bankrupted, argues Furedi. Dragged into the politicisation of identity, tolerance has become a form of "polite etiquette". Where once it was about the tolerance of individuals and their opinions, it has now been "redeployed to deal with group conflicts". Once it was about opening the mind to competing beliefs, now it is about one that affirms different groups. Along this slippery path, much of the original importance of tolerance has been distorted or lost.

Tolerance has segued into meanings of nonjudgmentalism, recognition, acceptance, even implicitly, affirmation and respect. It has frequently slipped into a vague indifference – "you do what you like" type attitude to the people you live amongst.

What has been lost is JS Mill's understanding that tolerance is crucial to freedom. That tolerance is about putting up with views and opinions you may deeply disagree with; tolerance does not require abdicating judgement, only the firm belief that it is in the cut and thrust of debate that there is the best chance of truth. Furedi is brilliant at skewering what he depicts as our lazy reluctance to judge, quoting Hannah Arendt to back him up. Judging is about using, to our best abilities our reasoning and empathy, to discriminate and discern; not bothering is a form of, literally, antisocial behaviour, a withdrawal from our responsibilities and obligations to other people.

There are no shortage of critics of this anaemic, bastardised version of tolerance. Tariq Ramadan, the Muslim thinker, loathes the contemporary rhetoric of tolerance as the "intellectual charity" of the powerful, part of the vocabulary of "cultural domination". He says it is grudging and patronising. A left critique argues that tolerance is a discourse of "depoliticisation". And the critiques from the right argue that tolerance has fatally weakened European identity; David Cameron even blamed the riots on tolerance. The right associates it with its twin evil, relativism.

Furedi is a famous contrarian – he takes on accepted wisdom and turns it on its head – and tolerance is the perfect subject for him. He knocks down the pieties and delusions of our age with neat elegance, but lands you up in very uncomfortable places. His argument is that in our enthusiasm for tolerance, we have actually become a deeply intolerant culture. We pass legislation to police hate speech, campaigners launch tirades of abuse on climate change deniers, New Atheists lambast religious believers. On all fronts, Furedi sees examples of a new intolerance – the very popularity of the phrase "zero-tolerance" indicates the problem.

This is not the intolerance of witchcraft trials or the inquisition, but in our smug complacency, we overlook today's manifestations of enforcing conformity and managing behaviour. Furedi has no time for the paternalistic nudge theories of Cass Sunstein, which he argues provide evidence of how the Anglo-American cultural elites have little respect for the moral capacity and autonomy of normal people. Yet again, elites are trying to control other people's lives: in the past they did it on religious grounds, now it's legitimised by "research" from behavioural economics, neuroscience and evolutionary psychology. The result is that the liberal idea of "protecting the private sphere" is under serious cultural and political pressure.

This isn't a book you can easily agree with and in a way that's the point. It's deliberately provocative. Tolerance needs new champions who will redefine and re-energise an overused and misused ideal.

But like any ideal, it cannot trump all other ideals all the time, so I part company with Furedi on how you manage the conflict between equality and tolerance, solidarity and freedom. Hate speech may still need to be banned in specific instances, I would argue. But Furedi is right that tolerance is not some sort of nonjudgemental indifference. That's a cop out. Tolerance can be a really tough, demanding ideal of allowing space for the uncomfortable, the disagreeable and the radically different.
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Tariq Ramadan, the Muslim thinker, loathes the contemporary rhetoric of tolerance as the "intellectual charity" of the powerful, part of the vocabulary of "cultural domination". He says it is grudging and patronising.
When I say this I'm one short step away from being Hitler. Is it because I is white?

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But like any ideal, it cannot trump all other ideals all the time, so I part company with Furedi on how you manage the conflict between equality and tolerance, solidarity and freedom. Hate speech may still need to be banned in specific instances, I would argue. But Furedi is right that tolerance is not some sort of nonjudgemental indifference. That's a cop out. Tolerance can be a really tough, demanding ideal of allowing space for the uncomfortable, the disagreeable and the radically different.
? As long as it keeps its gob shut, one presumes.
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When I say this I'm one short step away from being Hitler. Is it because I is white?
I think I've pointed out before that I don't believe in relativism either. OTOH, I seem to remember you starting maybe from the point Tariq makes but then move towards a "let it all fall where it may" attitude - which the articles qualifies of "vague indifference".


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? As long as it keeps its gob shut, one presumes.
Well, as with the nudge theory, I think it's being a bit silly. It's not like the members of the elite weren't humans affected by the same biais as the poor.

Someone was pointing out that something like "Clocky" shows how irrational the human race really is... and how we can sometimes trick ourselves when we realise our own weaknesses...

Clocky – the alarm clock that runs away
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I think I've pointed out before that I don't believe in relativism either. OTOH, I seem to remember you starting maybe from the point Tariq makes but then move towards a "let it all fall where it may" attitude - which the articles qualifies of "vague indifference".
Well okay, I try not to get too worked up, but I thought this was one of the things I've been more irritated about - judgemental condescension disguised as tolerance.

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Well, as with the nudge theory, I think it's being a bit silly. It's not like the members of the elite weren't humans affected by the same biais as the poor.

Someone was pointing out that something like "Clocky" shows how irrational the human race really is... and how we can sometimes trick ourselves when we realise our own weaknesses...

Clocky – the alarm clock that runs away
My point was that you can't say "let's tolerate different opinions" and "let's restrict free speech" in one paragraph. Seems like the author of the piece hasn't really got the point of the book. It would only make sense if she said "Tolerance can be a really tough, demanding ideal of allowing space for the mildly uncomfortable, the somewhat disagreeable and the slightly different." But then the piece as a whole would make no sense, because if something doesn't bother you then you're not tolerating it.
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Well okay, I try not to get too worked up, but I thought this was one of the things I've been more irritated about - judgemental condescension disguised as tolerance.
You have, you have. But "tolerance has segued into meanings of nonjudgmentalism, recognition, acceptance, even implicitly, affirmation and respect. It has frequently slipped into a vague indifference – "you do what you like" type attitude to the people you live amongst".

Well, IMO, the problem with this criticism is that it assumes that "only the firm belief that it is in the cut and thrust of debate that there is the best chance of truth" is correct. Which is obviously demonstrably false. As we well know, people do not change opinions on the basis of a good debate and some well back up "facts".

So, personally, I have never had any problem being judgemental (i.e. believing some actions/moral set superior to another) but tolerance (and a hatred of waste) is basically what stops me from backing up genocidal solutions to the issue.


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My point was that you can't say "let's tolerate different opinions" and "let's restrict free speech" in one paragraph.
The OP is just pointing out what she thinks are limits to the ideal of "tolerance"...
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You have, you have. But "tolerance has segued into meanings of nonjudgmentalism, recognition, acceptance, even implicitly, affirmation and respect. It has frequently slipped into a vague indifference – "you do what you like" type attitude to the people you live amongst".

Well, IMO, the problem with this criticism is that it assumes that "only the firm belief that it is in the cut and thrust of debate that there is the best chance of truth" is correct. Which is obviously demonstrably false. As we well know, people do not change opinions on the basis of a good debate and some well back up "facts".

So, personally, I have never had any problem being judgemental (i.e. believing some actions/moral set superior to another) but tolerance (and a hatred of waste) is basically what stops me from backing up genocidal solutions to the issue.
Well yes, I dare say that truth can be a good or a bad thing; debate's useful for other things though.

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The OP is just pointing out what she thinks are limits to the ideal of "tolerance"...
From which we have to conclude that she has no idea what tolerance is. By definition you can't tolerate something you don't a priori object to.
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From which we have to conclude that she has no idea what tolerance is. By definition you can't tolerate something you don't a priori object to.
I don't think it follows. Take a practical example. Anti-semitism. I assume this is something you object to. Now, in the spirit of tolerance, we should just let it fall under "free speech". OTOH, anti-semitism, even more than other forms of racism, has a pretty bloody history.

So the point the OP makes is that, from a practical pov, you have aspects (ideals) other than 'free speech'/tolerance to take into account when making a decision on what to authorise.
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