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Old 08-05-11, 05:37 PM
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Evolution Battle Brews In Texas

By Jesse Emspak | May 7, 2011 10:20 AM EDT

Evolution Battle Brews In Texas - International Business Times

In Texas, a battle is brewing over the teaching of evolutionary theory, as the Board of Education considers a new set of instructional materials to be used in science classrooms.

In several states there are laws or standards that allow educational authorities to add material that isn't in the textbooks to the curriculum; usually these are designed to supplement the text, for example if it is out of date, or add activities or problem sets that students might do.

The submissions have to meet certain standards. In 2009 the Texas Board of Education said that students should be taught "all sides" of current scientific theories.

One submission has come from a company called International Databases, LLC. It's a one-man operation run by Stephen Sample, who says he has a degree in evolutionary biology and taught at the high school and junior college levels for 15 years.

The material he submitted consists of eight modules dealing with current issues in biology and ecology. Most are well within the mainstream scientific consensus. But there are two that deal with the origin of life. Those sections say the "null hypothesis" is that there had to be some intelligent agency behind the appearance of living things. It is up to the scientists proposing a naturalistic explanation to prove their case.

A null hypothesis is used as a way of describing a default position in science. For example, a null hypothesis might be that there is no relationship between smoking and cancer. That hypothesis is falsified when lots of people smoke and get lung cancer, absent other possible causes.

That wording drew the ire of the Texas Freedom Network and the National Center for Science Education, which described it as "stealth creationism" because they posit that the default hypothesis for life's origin has to be that there was an intelligent agency involved.

Ordinarily teaching from a religious perspective is forbidden in public school science classes. The principle was decided on in the Kitzmiller v. Dover, in 2005, when a judge ruled that teaching the theory of "intelligent design" was actually a form of religious instruction and therefore not allowed in public schools.

Sample says the "null hypothesis" is such because the old experiments that attempted to produce "building blocks" of amino acids failed to do so. In addition later experiments that produced other precursor chemicals, such as DNA and RNA, required very specific conditions in a lab, and aren't he said. Necessarily reflective of what the early Earth was like. Therefore, he said, the odds of making life from non-life seem too small for a naturalistic hypothesis to work.

Sample says it isn't stealth creationism - he says the intelligent agency might just as well be aliens. But he emphasizes that he wants students to learn to think critically, and that unlike the physical sciences, there aren't any experiments you can do to demonstrate evolutionary theory.

Nick Matzke, is currently a doctoral candidate in evolutionary biology at the University of California, Berkeley, and the former public information project director at the National Center for Science Education, disagrees. He notes that there has been a lot of work in recent years on molecules that catalyze their own formation, and increase their concentrations in solutions. The molecules don't replicate themselves in quite the same way that DNA does. But they do offer insight into how life might have started. "The thing is, scientists are limited by a single lab experiment," he said. "When you have a million experiments like that going on all over, in every tide pool, then you can get many results."

Josh Roseneau, programs and policy director at the NCSE says part of the problem is the way the bills that allow such materials are worded. They almost always talk about "critical thinking," which nobody would be against. But the laws allow teachers to bring in materials that can reflect religious biases without being disciplined by a school district.

Evolution is still controversial enough that some teachers back away from teaching it entirely, as a study from Penn State University in January found.

The problem with evolution, says Robert Luhn, director of Communications at the NCSE, is that it touches on something close to people. "You don't get this kind of thing when talking about gravity," he said.
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Originally Posted by FredFredson View Post
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But there are two that deal with the origin of life.
if the two that are controversial deal with the origin of life, why pretend this is an "evolution" battle.......false premise is false......
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Sample says it isn't stealth creationism - he says the intelligent agency might just as well be aliens.
Where did the aliens come from then? Idiot.

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But he emphasizes that he wants students to learn to think critically, and that unlike the physical sciences, there aren't any experiments you can do to demonstrate evolutionary theory.
Just the other day a survey of snails in the US showed an adaptation in shell colouring that occurred within the last few decades.

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if the two that are controversial deal with the origin of life, why pretend this is an "evolution" battle.......false premise is false......
I'm glad you've finally adopted that point, becuase I remember having to drum it into you. Nevertheless, it remains the case that creationist objection to "evolution" is pretty much aimed at abiogenesis, even if they use the terms incorrectly.
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I'm glad you've finally adopted that point, becuase I remember having to drum it into you. Nevertheless, it remains the case that creationist objection to "evolution" is pretty much aimed at abiogenesis, even if they use the terms incorrectly.
lol.....I was aware of that before you were born, child.....but it's obvious from the OP that the typical mindless atheist will never get it.......
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Bullshit. You repeatedly argued that evolution was flawed because it had no proof for abiogenesis.
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My mistake, it was in Europe. Anyway, supporters of sundry forms of creationism have often claimed that evolution from one "kind" to another "kind" has never been seen - ignoring the evidence of the fossil record, of course - so this shoots a gaping hole in their argument.

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Evolution in action has been observed in snails by members of the public taking part in an online science project.

More than 6,000 people from 15 European countries took part in the Open University study, Evolution MegaLab, launched in April 2009 to mark the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth.

Participants were asked to report sightings of banded snails to the MegaLab project via a website address.

More than 7,600 new observations were made in 2009 which were added to historical data collected between 1950 and 1990.

The aim was to find out whether snails had evolved in the past 40 years in response to changes in temperature.

The findings, published in the online journal Public Library of Science ONE, identified an unexpected evolutionary change. Over time, larger numbers of snails were seen with a single dark spiral across their shell.

Simultaneously there was a decrease in the frequency of unbanded shells.

Open University Professor of Ecology Jonathan Silvertown, who devised the Evolution MegaLab, said: "This is one of the largest evolutionary studies ever undertaken. Through mass observation we wanted to give the general public, including families and school children, the opportunity to do real science and to experience the fun and excitement of discovery for themselves. Finding unexpected results is what science is all about.

"Exactly what caused the change in bandedness is still a mystery. It does not appear to be related to climate change and researchers suspect it may be due to a decrease in bird predation or some small-scale environmental change. But exactly what has gone on is food for thought."

Scientists had also predicted snail shells becoming lighter coloured to prevent overheating in sunlight. However, this did not happen except in the case of snails living among sand dunes where shelter is harder to find.
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Originally Posted by contracycle View Post
My mistake, it was in Europe. Anyway, supporters of sundry forms of creationism have often claimed that evolution from one "kind" to another "kind" has never been seen.
I think I've seen PMP arguing just that.

That micro-evolution within a species or something was possible and indeed occuring but not macro-evolution.

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It's still a spurious argument. They think of "kinds" as being ontologically distinct, but this isn't the case. "Micro" evolution leads to "macro" evolution when accumulated changes mean two groups can no longer interbreed.
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Well, I obviously agree.
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Originally Posted by contracycle View Post
Bullshit. You repeatedly argued that evolution was flawed because it had no proof for abiogenesis.
no, I argued repeatedly that abiogenesis was no better "science" than creationism when it came to the issue of origins.....I have also argued repeatedly that ignorant secular humanists believed evolution explained the issue of origin.......I can't count how many times I have seen threads dealing with "Creationism Vs. Evolution".......
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