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Old 29-11-11, 12:44 PM
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The video of the woman ranting against black and Polish people ("What has this country come to? ... with loads of black people and load of fucking Polish") on the Croydon to Wimbledon tram has caused quite a stir, generating quite a storm on social media and swiftly leading to an arrest. But I have to say it strikes me as one of the less shocking videos I've seen in my lifetime. Compared to footage of guys filming themselves attacking "pakis" on the tube, the storm over this video looks no worse than an argument over whether X Factor tweeters should be publicly flogged or not.

In fact, it reminded me a little of the brilliant sketch by Stewart Lee where his nan says: "It's political correctness gawn mad Stew". I can imagine the woman leaving the tram complaining that she couldn't even talk about immigration in her own country.

Still, I was indignant about the incident until I saw the backlash on Twitter. Piers Morgan was calling for the woman to be deported, some asked for her to be locked up, while others said her child should be taken away. And those are only the printable responses.

I hate to write an article defending such a woman but I think calling for her to be arrested and then prosecuted is over the top. I don't think such behaviour is acceptable or have a problem with condemning it. My issue is that calling for the law to get involved is about the worst way to deal with such incidents. And there are several reasons for this.

First, the law has little impact. The Race Relations Act made it illegal for organisations to discriminate but you can count the number of successful prosecutions on your fingers. It works much better in tightly defined instances of outright discrimination rather than hate speech.

What actually changed attitudes against racism was a shift in popular culture pushed by brave people. The people who joined together in solidarity against skinheads (at Cable Street in the 30s and Southall in the 80s) changed attitudes. Rock Against Racism shifted popular attitudes. Love Music Hate Racism changed attitudes. The Anti-Nazi League did. But trying to push for better social attitudes through the law is a futile task. Popular condemnation and viral piss-takes work far better instead.

Second, you may argue she can already be prosecuted under the Public Order Act or a "breach of the peace" but the law is currently an overbearing ass. It allows the police to make an arrest if someone feels "insulted". The same laws allow them to detain political activists and make arbitrary arrests.

In short, the very law that some people are cheering here can easily be used against them. Do you really want to give police the willingness to arrest people simply for having an argument?

Third, laws that criminalise hate speech almost always backfire on minorities themselves. A few years ago British Muslim organisations campaigned vigorously for a law against religious hatred, hoping it would stop the BNP from using them as electoral fodder. Labour passed the law but it did little to stop the BNP. Instead, most of the people prosecuted under the law were – you guessed it – Muslims.

There are other examples too. When Sikh playwright Gurpreet Bhatti was criticised by Sikh activists for her play Behzti in Birmingham in 2005, one Sikh group said they were planning to get her charged with racial hatred against Sikhs.

I have no problems with laws against outright discrimination. But when crafted against inciting hatred or "breaching the peace" – they almost always work against minorities and other vulnerable people rather than for them.

And let's be honest, the woman was just sitting there with a child on her lap. She offended people but posed no threat and didn't harm anyone (the person behind her had to be calmed down or it could have turned a lot uglier). It isn't the same as a group of drunken blokes swearing in a train carriage and to criminalise simply being offensive or swearing in public would have half of Britain in jail.

My fourth argument is simply this: I would rather a world where such incidents didn't exists but the world will never be perfect. I would much prefer such racism to be open and visible because there are still far too many Westminster commentators who think racism is a thing of the past.

There are still far too many reporters at tabloids who think their biased reporting doesn't have an impact. It does, and this woman is a product of the opinions of the rightwing press.

You may ask how I would have responded if I was there. Like the other woman, I would say what I've said for years – I'm English whether racists likes it or not. Then I'd go back to pretending to playing games on my phone like most people in that carriage.

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Old 29-11-11, 01:56 PM
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Agreed on all points.
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Stewart Lee is on of my favorite comedians, and this is the clip of him mocking the "political correctness gone mad" trope.
Stewart Lee- Political Correctness Gone Mad - YouTube
I agree with most of this argument, but I don't think the arguments against hate speech legislation holds up. It is quite true though that "offence" or "insult" is NOT definitive of hate speech and that the law has been aimed at that, quite incorrectly. A suspicious person might think that institutional interests were trying to blur the focus of such legislation. It is no less racist to be complementary to someone purely because of their race, like the old "blacks got rhythm" thing.
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Old 30-11-11, 04:21 PM
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'My Tram Experience' racist YouTube video rant: woman appears in court | This is Croydon

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EMMA West from New Addington appeared before Croydon magistrates this morning (Tuesday) in connection with a racist rant on a tram which went viral on YouTube yesterday.

West, of Grenville Road, has been charged with a racially aggravated public order offence.

The 34-year-old mother of two did not enter a plea to the charge, and has been remanded in custody while psychiatric reports are prepared.

West was arrested after a video showing a woman racially abusing passengers on the number 3 tram from New Addington to Wimbledon was posted on YouTube.

The video, entitled My Tram Experience, has been viewed 2.2million times since it was posted on Sunday.

Police have now asked YouTube to remove the video.

Croydon Magistrates' Court heard today that West has been suffering from depression since she was 18, receiving treatment at facilities in Purley and West Croydon.

West, wearing a pink Adidas tracksuit top, appeared visibly distressed throughout the hearing and sobbed into her hands as she was remanded in custody while psychiatric reports are prepared.

She is due to appear before Croydon Magistrates' Court again on December 6.
Say, Bobby! I wonder what are some other political regimes that subject people to psychiatric treatment for holding opinions that do not conform to accepted dogma?

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Is that like denouncing people as being dreadlocked students who don't know what's good for them?
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Old 30-11-11, 10:26 PM
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No. Unlike the state, I don't have the power to detain people indefinitely on a quack's say-so.
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So the difference then is capacity, but the intention, and disregard, are the same.
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I'm capable of disliking something without wanting it banned.
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