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The Greek tragedy: no money, no hope
Despairing middle classes could be the biggest threat to Greece's future, writes Paul Mason in Athens.


By Paul Mason, BBC Newsnight's Economics Editor, Athens

9:00PM BST 24 Sep 2011


Dmitris Andreou made the last sale out of his small estate agents business in June. His wife Mary, makes her living preparing high-school students for English exams.

But her living has dried up. Their savings are exhausted, their disposable income has dropped by about 50 per cent in two years, and they are angry.

"Some days we only buy the basics and a few days lately we were not able to buy even those. We have to count our cents to decide between buying bread, milk or butter," says Mary.

"Some days are better, but some are difficult. We don't buy clothes any more. People don't go out. There is simply no money around out there."

In their neat apartment in an Athens suburb, surrounded by family heirlooms and lace tablecloths, they are a world apart from the anarchist demonstrators who snatch the headlines whenever opposition to the EU-imposed austerity measures is discussed.

But what's happening in living rooms like theirs presents the bigger danger to the future of Greece. People are switching off: from politics, from the mass media, from social life.

"We would like to see the politicians executed," says Maria, not smiling as she delivers the joke. "Most people are saying this: politicians deserve capital punishment – at the Greek equivalent of Traitors' Gate. It would be a nice time for politicians to be heroes, to stand up and defend the people. But they're not."

"We can't watch the television news any more," says Dmitris, shaking his head. "If you watch it, with the constant uncertainty, it can make your psychology very low. It's like a nightmare we can't wake up from. Perhaps it's fortunate that we've had to cancel our cable TV subscription. I don't trust the media any more: I get all my news from the internet."

Across Europe, governments are reining in public spending to prevent the markets' confidence in their finances ebbing. Ireland and Portugal have made sweeping cuts; Italy and Spain are under intense pressure to perform better.

But it is the 11 million Greeks who are feeling it most acutely as their government struggles to head off default - or worse.

If Greek public sector workers at all levels have been hit by pay and pension cuts, for the middle class – people like the Andreous, both of whom are self-employed – it is tax that is the problem.

Tax rises, a property downturn and the collapse of business income has halved their spending power, and that's before the next round of austerity measures, due to be voted on in parliament on Tuesday, begin.

It is this sudden collapse of middle class lifestyles that makes the Greek situation so volatile.

In Britain and the USA, public spending hawks have argued: reduce the size the state and the private sector will grow. In Greece the debt crisis – which has spiralled out of control in 2011 – means that cutting public sector jobs and services is not enough. The pensions, savings and incomes of the middle-class are being raided too.

As a result Greek politicians have started to worry about something called "anomie" – a pervasive listlessness, low-level social conflict and the erosion of bonds between the country's citizens and the state.

You can read it in the figures: suicides have soared by 40 per cent in a year. Thefts and break-ins almost doubled between 2007 and 2009. Hostility to migrants – their arrival ignored during the good times after entry into the EU and the euro – has become widespread and unconcealed.

At the doors of small charities, queues of single men – ranging from Iraqis to Somalis to Nepalese – form in the early morning to receive free food or medical treatment. Now, to their intense anger, some Greeks are being forced to join these queues: 39 per cent of the country's under 24s are unemployed.

And there is more austerity to come. With total Greek debt headed for 189 per cent of the country's GDP - the equivalent of almost two years' entire economic output - the EU pushed the government and parliament into agreeing a second austerity package on June 29, in return for the promise of a new €159bn bailout.

That was supposed to be the circuit breaker, and its passage was marked by burning barricades in the smart, historic Plaka district of central Athens, manned by shopkeepers and restaurateurs alongside the anarchists.

But that deal has fallen apart. Greece needs to raise a further €2bn just to meet this year's deficit target, which it will do through an emergency property tax, collected through people's electricity bills. When the energy workers said they would refuse to issue the bills, the crisis escalated.

Phone calls, emergency cabinet meetings, walkouts by IMF negotiators – the familiar choreography of a Greek bailout tranche by now – produced a third austerity package.

The Andreous now face an extra property tax of between €500 and €1,000 a year until 2014, and a further income tax hike.

After the deal in June the protests had been muted. With general strikes called for this week they will escalate, but Greek commentators are no longer focused on the organised protests: it's the disorganised and random events that worry them.

Antonis Papayiannidis, who publishes Economic Monthly, warns: "In an almost detached way people have just watched the catastrophe happening to them. They were very displeased but they did not erupt. They became withdrawn and they are still withdrawn. But it could erupt very quickly, because the feeling of helplessness is very intense right now - in a way that makes the petrol bombs and barricades of June look pathetic."

The economics of the crisis are brutally simple: Greece has been bailed out twice and cannot be saved again. Either the third round of shock measures announced last week locks the EU into the long-term bailout payments already agreed, or Greece defaults.

Any default would sink the country's own banks – their debt was downgraded on Friday, and 12 per cent of their deposits have been withdrawn over the past year.

Greek default would rip through the French banking system– SocGen and Credit Agricole were downgraded this month over their exposure to Greek debt. It would leave Spain and Italy totally dependent on a lifeline from the European Central Bank.

And it would then pose the question everybody wants to avoid: can Greece stay in the euro?

For the Andreous, it is hard to see how things get better in the short-term. They face four more years of austerity, their savings are gone, and the chances of a university education for their daughters Phaedra, 16, and Ira, 12, are evaporating.

Right now though, they have more pressing problems. At the two girls' secondary school, the autumn term has started without textbooks. The pupils have been handed CDs instead.

"It feels like we're in a post-war situation," says Mary. "There's no optimism; we don't know what happens next. We just try to survive."

Over the past six months I've stood in the middle of Athenian crowds so furious that they will withstand tear gas and endure near-lethal stampedes to make their point.

What's been obvious, each time, is the ordinariness of the people involved – bank clerks, interior designers, even a concert pianist once, their faces painted with alkaline liquid against the sting of the gas.

But it is this seething anger of those who have never been on a demo that is really frightening - because we have no model for what happens if the middle class of a developed country simply switches off from politics and gives up hope.

Not since the 1930s, anyway.

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But it is this seething anger of those who have never been on a demo that is really frightening - because we have no model for what happens if the middle class of a developed country simply switches off from politics and gives up hope.

Not since the 1930s, anyway.

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Well, exactly. What? 80 years is too long ago that we don't remember or can't use it as a model? We know perfectly well what happens when democracies fail their people. Their people choose something else.

To be fair, the Greek have been there before in the 70s. I don't remember it being particularly bad.
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I think this is more a case of democracy doing exactly what the people demands.

"Want massive public investment programmes?"
"Yep!"
"Want a bloated civil service leaking free cash into your pockets?"
"Sure do!"
"Want to know where all the money's coming from?"
"Hell no!"
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I don't disagree on that. But it also clearly look like the Greek gvts were appalling at collecting taxes and did make Greece pretty sweet for its top shipping billionaires...
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And when times were good no one questioned that either.

Okay, as a citizen I'm not much better - like I care what sort of world the next generation'll have to live in, gimme cheap public services right now - but equally I wouln't whine like a little bitch about how it was all the government's fault when everything went tits up.
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And when times were good no one questioned that either.
Yes, this is the bit that pisses me off most. As we saw with the retirement/pension issue and our common disagreement with Contra. Blaming the rich is fine but those retirees did fuck all to fight the rich in their time, didn't they? No, they went along sweetly as long as they got their promises of nice, safe, retirement...

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Okay, as a citizen I'm not much better - like I care what sort of world the next generation'll have to live in, gimme cheap public services right now - but equally I wouln't whine like a little bitch about how it was all the government's fault when everything went tits up.
Yep. In a democracy, you get the government you deserve.
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Eurozone rescue plan 'emerging' as IMF and Greece talk
IMF head Christine Lagarde The plan agreed by leaders reportedly envisages a "haircut", or writedown, of Greece's sovereign debt


BBC News - Eurozone rescue plan 'emerging' as IMF and Greece talk

The outline of a large and ambitious eurozone rescue plan is taking shape, reports from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) in Washington suggest.

It is expected to involve a 50% write-down of Greece's massive government debt, the BBC's business editor Robert Peston says.

The plan also envisages an increase in the size of the eurozone bailout fund to 2 trillion euros (£1.7tn; $2.7tn).

European governments hope to have measures agreed in five to six weeks.

Turning the present outline into a practical reality will be immensely difficult, our editor says.

But he adds that the price of failure could be a financial crisis that would probably turn anaemic growth into a recession or worse.

Investors have so far been unimpressed with the speed at which policymakers have dealt with the eurozone debt crisis, and analysts say that action, not words, are needed to calm volatile stock markets.

Unless the banks are fixed, there will remain too big a risk that a financial crisis could turn the current global economic slowdown into something more akin to depression than recession”

Over the weekend, the G20 reasserted its commitment to "a strong and co-ordinated international response" to the crisis, but analysts warned this would not be enough to satisfy investors.

"Given that there were no details on how [the G20 would combat the crisis], it will not do much to alleviate market stress without some concrete action," said Mitul Kotecha at Credit Agricole.

European markets fell at the start of trade on Monday but then rallied. By lunchtime, Germany's Dax index and France's Cac 40 were both up more than 3%.

Earlier, Asian markets had fallen, with Japan's Nikkei index closing down 2.2%, Hong Kong's Hang Seng falling 1.5% and South Korea's Kospi dropping 2.6%.

The problem, they said privately, was that ministers couldn't talk openly about a new solution to the crisis when the old one had not even been passed by national parliaments. This was a particular issue, naturally, for Germany.”

The reports about the emerging rescue plan come after the annual meeting of the IMF in the US capital last week.

The package is expected to involve a quadrupling - from the current projected level of 440bn euros - in the firepower of Europe's main bailout fund, the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF).

This would be done by putting in place an arrangement that would allow the European Central Bank (ECB) to lend alongside the fund, our editor says.

The EFSF would take on the main risk of lending to governments struggling to borrow from normal commercial sources - governments like Italy.

Key events this week

* The European Commission, European Central Bank and International Monetary Fund return to Athens to assess Greece's debt reduction programme, to decide whether to release the latest tranche of bailout money
* On Thursday, Germany is expected to vote on whether to pass proposals to extend the powers of the EFSF
* Also on Thursday, EU Commissioner for Monetary and Economic Affairs Olli Rehn is scheduled to meet German Economics Minister Phillipp Roesler

It is also thought that private investors in Greek debt are likely to have to accept a 50% reduction in what they are owed, our editor says.

Eurozone leaders agreed a plan in July, which has yet to be ratified, that provided for a reduction in Greece's repayments to banks of about 20%.

After talks with IMF chief Christine Lagarde, Greek Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos said that Athens would do "whatever it takes" to reduce its huge level of debt, which is currently about 160% of the country's gross domestic product.

Publicly, world leaders have said there is "no plan" for a Greek default, but reports suggest officials are working on a plan to allow Greece to default on some of its debts and remain in the euro.

The third element of the rescue plan envisages a strengthening of big eurozone banks, which are perceived to have too little capital to absorb losses.

But our editor says that MPs in eurozone member-states will be concerned that taxpayers would be taking much more risk, and banks will bolt at raising expensive new capital.
'Back to the 1960s'

In Washington, Mr Venizelos also pledged that Greece would stay within the euro, but denied that the Greek crisis was enough on its own to cause a "domino effect" elsewhere in the eurozone.

Earlier, Greece's minister for international economic relations, Constantine Papadopoulos, said leaving the euro would be "catastrophic" for Greece.

"I personally think [leaving the eurozone] would take us back to the 1960s or 1970s," he told the BBC's Andrew Marr programme.
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What is the EFSF?

* The European Financial Stability Facility is effectively the eurozone's rescue fund
* It was created in the summer of 2010 and is AAA rated by all three main credit rating agencies
* It is allowed to issue bonds up to a total value of 440bn euros
* Proposals put forward in July would allow the EFSF to buy the bonds of highly-indebted countries, and to make credit available to both them and under-capitalised banks. These proposals have yet to be fully ratified.

He later clarified that he was not referring to the political situation at the time, when the military took power in a coup, but the standards of living and the structure of the economy.

This week will see EU and IMF officials return to Athens to examine the country's progress on its deficit reduction plans.

Greece is still receiving money from an initial rescue, agreed in May last year, although it will not receive the next tranche if inspectors rule that it is not keeping up with its spending cut targets.

Analysts say this is a real possibility.

Without this month's loan, Greece will not be able to meet its debt payments by the middle of next month.

A second EU-IMF bailout was agreed for Greece in July of this year but that still has to be ratified by the parliaments of a number of eurozone member states.
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Yep. In a democracy, you get the government you deserve.
But we're not democracies. We're representative republics.

I've already showed data indicating that the general greek populace benefitted not at all from all this. This is simply another case of an elite passing its costs to the citizens, and it will not be calmly accepted. And nor should it be.
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I've already showed data indicating that the general greek populace benefitted not at all from all this.
Compared to what?

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Wednesday, March 3, 2010, will go down in history as the day that a modern Greek government made a conscious effort to bring the country and its economy in line with reality. It is most appropriate that the unprecedented step was taken by a PASOK government, headed by George Papandreou, as it was under PASOK, in its first term in power under Papandreou’s father, Andreas, that Greece slipped the bonds of economic reality and began to live way beyond its means. But the New Democracy party, with which PASOK has alternated in power since the restoration of democracy in 1974, is no less guilty of bloating the public sector and buying “social harmony” by giving workers whatever they wanted, leading to a relentless rise in wages and pensions irrespective of what the country produced. As deficits and the country’s debt burden grew, governments just kept on borrowing – borrowing to meet their obligations in terms of wages and pensions, borrowing to import more than Greece exported, borrowing to pay off previous debts. There was no effort to break the borrowing habit. In addition, membership of the eurozone brought monetary stability and historically low interest rates, prompting a massive boom in mortgages and consumer loans, which hid the economy’s underlying weaknesses.

The late Andreas Papandreou’s strategy in the 1980s was to give the disenfranchised, who formed the bulk of PASOK’s voters, a shot at living like the middle class. If this meant throwing European assistance and subsidies around like political favors and giving pensions to people who had never contributed to social security (such as farmers), then so be it. At last, all those who had been shut out by the right-wing establishment which triumphed in the Civil War in 1946-49 – and which was thoroughly discredited by the dictatorship of 1967-74 – would get to share in the wealth of the nation. The fact that this new middle class was founded on wealth that the country was not producing meant that the economy broke free from all logic and went into its own orbit. PASOK established the National Health System and poured money into education but it also undermined the gains by destroying any semblance of hierarchy, accountability and recognition of merit in the public sector. This meant that no one really knew how much money was being spent nor whether those who deserved it most were getting it. Costs rose while productivity plummeted. A wasteful public sector, in turn, condemned the private sector to inefficiency and lack of competitiveness. New Democracy, especially in the 2004-09 period, made the situation worse by doing almost nothing to cut costs and increase revenues, allowing the economy to career out of control.

The easy money of the past three decades had a devastating effect on the economy and on the Greeks themselves; they now have to come to terms with the basics of finance – that you cannot spend more than you earn, that you should not borrow more than you can afford. The terrible legacy of the past years is that not only is the country deep in debt but the irrationality of the borrowed, unearned funds allowed the public sector to get away with being a drain on the country’s resources and a plague on its people. No one really knows the true size of the monster. And though the flow of funds to it may be curbed by 7 or 8 percent annually, this will not make it any more efficient.

Now that PASOK has finally got itself to break with the past, it will have to stand firm against the rage of opposition parties and unions – and of its own supporters. George Papandreou has finally realized that running Greece does not depend only on appeasing the most voracious sections of his own supporters – he has to make the country more efficient and its economy viable. But the sacrifice will come to nothing if the public administration and education system are not reformed radically so that they can serve the needs of their country rather than narrow political interests. Wednesday’s measures were a good start. But only a start.
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Well I think that;s a load of tendentious rubbish frankly. As already cited, there is no evidence for substantial growth in wages, and paying pensions to faremrs is not inherently weird. That's why it's SOCIAL security.

So this is exactly the problem, a damning narrative constructed out of false "facts" and pernicious interpretation. We're whipping ourselves into a righteous lather and using it to to attack ordinary people.
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