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Old 05-02-11, 10:40 AM
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WikiLeaks cables: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets - Telegraph

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Information about every Trident missile the US supplies to Britain will be given to Russia as part of an arms control deal signed by President Barack Obama next week.

Defence analysts claim the agreement risks undermining Britain’s policy of refusing to confirm the exact size of its nuclear arsenal.

The fact that the Americans used British nuclear secrets as a bargaining chip also sheds new light on the so-called “special relationship”, which is shown often to be a one-sided affair by US diplomatic communications obtained by the WikiLeaks website.

Details of the behind-the-scenes talks are contained in more than 1,400 US embassy cables published to date by the Telegraph, including almost 800 sent from the London Embassy, which are published online today. The documents also show that:

• America spied on Foreign Office ministers by gathering gossip on their private lives and professional relationships.

• Intelligence-sharing arrangements with the US became strained after the controversy over Binyam Mohamed, the former Guantánamo Bay detainee who sued the Government over his alleged torture.

• David Miliband disowned the Duchess of York by saying she could not “be controlled” after she made an undercover TV documentary.

• Tens of millions of pounds of overseas aid was stolen and spent on plasma televisions and luxury goods by corrupt regimes.

A series of classified messages sent to Washington by US negotiators show how information on Britain’s nuclear capability was crucial to securing Russia’s support for the “New START” deal.

Although the treaty was not supposed to have any impact on Britain, the leaked cables show that Russia used the talks to demand more information about the UK’s Trident missiles, which are manufactured and maintained in the US.

Washington lobbied London in 2009 for permission to supply Moscow with detailed data about the performance of UK missiles. The UK refused, but the US agreed to hand over the serial numbers of Trident missiles it transfers to Britain.

Professor Malcolm Chalmers said: “This appears to be significant because while the UK has announced how many missiles it possesses, there has been no way for the Russians to verify this. Over time, the unique identifiers will provide them with another data point to gauge the size of the British arsenal.”

Duncan Lennox, editor of Jane’s Strategic Weapons Systems, said: “They want to find out whether Britain has more missiles than we say we have, and having the unique identifiers might help them.”

While the US and Russia have long permitted inspections of each other’s nuclear weapons, Britain has sought to maintain some secrecy to compensate for the relatively small size of its arsenal.

William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, last year disclosed that “up to 160” warheads are operational at any one time, but did not confirm the number of missiles.
If I was running US foreign policy I'd bumrape the British pitilessly too. Sure, the first time you might be a bit nervous that they'll retalliate, but by now we all know that's never going to happen.

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• America spied on Foreign Office ministers by gathering gossip on their private lives and professional relationships.
Well, yes. That's what spies do.

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• Intelligence-sharing arrangements with the US became strained after the controversy over Binyam Mohamed, the former Guantánamo Bay detainee who sued the Government over his alleged torture.
Well at least it's nice to see that America treats all its vassals in much the same way, seeing no difference between third world dictatorships and western democracies.
"Your citizen is bothering us. Deal with him."
"But the rule of law-"
"Haha! "Rule of law" - what do you think you're one of us now? Come on, we all know that you puny little countries shoot people as easy as blinking. Next you'll be pretending to have elections."

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• David Miliband disowned the Duchess of York by saying she could not “be controlled” after she made an undercover TV documentary.
Hahahahahaha
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• Tens of millions of pounds of overseas aid was stolen and spent on plasma televisions and luxury goods by corrupt regimes.
Perhaps reading this stuff has made me excessively cynical, but I suspect that's precisely what it was intended for. And, hey presto, a British company is brought in to build their latest road to nowhere.
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Oh come on, you know you like it.




I'd suggest that the UK start talks with Israel and figure out how despite being a tiny nation with no national resources thats always making messes in their region gets so much more respect.
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Old 06-02-11, 10:34 AM
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I'd suggest that the UK start talks with Israel and figure out how despite being a tiny nation with no national resources thats always making messes in their region gets so much more respect.
Well, it helps when one party depends on your money and people and the other blindly agrees to anything you do out of religious fervor... Thus, whoever is in power, your interests are rather secure...
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Could be, and if so.... I guess secularism doesn't seem so "cool" right now does it?
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hahahaha! True, dat.

OTOH, I never understood, given the US system set-up and how cheap Senators and Congressmen were (in the grand scheme of things) why foreign countries don't try & get their own people elected, just as the banking industry or the oil industry or the military-industrial complex does...
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