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Seems similar to the NHS story in some respect: Massive spending effort for very little results... except a growth in the number of employees, especially on the 'administrative' side of things...

Money for Math Dummies Won't Ensure Einsteins: Caroline Baum - Bloomberg

Money for Math Dummies Won't Ensure Einsteins
By Caroline Baum - Jan 31, 2011

U.S. presidents are always yammering about the need to “invest in education” to prepare our children to compete in the 21st century.

Barack Obama succumbed to the temptation last week in front of a huge, attentive audience for his State of the Union address. The president told the American people every child deserves a chance at an education. He said we have to “win the race to educate our kids.” And he reminded us that the quality of math and science education in the U.S. “lags behind many other nations.”

Whose fault is that? Last time I looked, the Department of Education was a government agency. If Obama believes in top-down policy, all he has to do is tell his bureaucrats to fix it.

The function of the Department of Education, according to its website, is to establish policy for education and to assist the president “in executing his education policies for the nation and in implementing laws enacted by Congress.”

Better education for our kids is a goal, not a policy.

The Education Department’s mission is to promote student achievement and prepare our youth for global competitiveness. Inspirational, to be sure. Where’s the policy to accomplish it?

Running in place. Between 1970 and 2007, inflation-adjusted spending for grades K-12 increased 190 percent without any noticeable improvement in academic achievement, according to Andrew Coulson, director the Center for Educational Freedom at the libertarian Cato Institute in Washington.

Education’s Cost/Benefit

“After $2 trillion and 45 years in the business of education, you’d think we’d have something to show for it,” Coulson said in a telephone interview last week. Instead of better student performance, all that money bought us “a lot more public school employees,” he said.

The U.S. spends more per pupil than most countries, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. In its latest report, “The Condition of Education 2010,” the NCES said the U.S. spent $10,267 per pupil for primary and secondary education, 41 percent more than the average for developed countries. (Data are for 2006.) That amounts to 4 percent of gross domestic product, also above the average.

As for student performance, the U.S. ranked about average in reading literacy and science, and below average in mathematics, compared with other developed nations, according to the Program for International Assessment (PISA), which is coordinated by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

Constitutional Questions

It sure sounds as if education spending should undergo some of that rigorous cost-benefit analysis Obama plans to apply to federal regulations.

Most of the money for education comes from the state and from local property taxes. Historically the federal government’s share has been 8 percent, doubling with the fiscal stimulus.

Education is a state and local responsibility,” said Russ Whitehurst, director of the Brown Center on Education Policy and a senior fellow at Washington’s Brookings Institution.

The federal government has no constitutionally enumerated power to determine how to educate our children. (Tea Party Caucus, take note!) Ever since LBJ’s Great Society and the Civil Rights Act, the federal government has taken on the responsibility for providing equality of opportunity through education, Whitehurst told me in a phone interview. No Child Left Behind (Bush) and Race to the Top (Obama) are recent examples of the federal government setting goals and standards and, in the second case, doling out rewards (money) for meeting them.

“The goal is to homogenize education,” Cato’s Coulson said.

Definition of Insanity

Most of us would agree that every child deserves an opportunity at an education, as Obama said in his speech. So why did the president sign a law phasing out the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program, begun under George W. Bush? The OSP provided scholarships for children in very low-income districts to attend private schools.

By any metric, the program was a success. “A higher proportion went to college, parents were widely enthusiastic, it cost a lot less than public education in D.C.,” Whitehurst said.

The Democratic-controlled Congress said the money could be better spent on D.C. schools.

Liberals think the answer to underperforming inner city schools is more money. Isn’t that the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

Libertarians and conservatives say the solution for improving education is more competition and choice. Who’s right?

Free to Choose

The old way hasn’t worked. Why not try something different? How about tempting the education system with the incentives of the marketplace to see if that will shake it out of its torpor?

Liberals want to spend money more wisely, but the only way that’s going to happen is by introducing the choice and competition teachers’ unions oppose. Low-income parents should be able to make the same kind of choices affluent parents do when they decide to buy a home in an upscale suburb with a good school system, Whitehurst said.

“A surer way over the long term to spend money wisely is a system that is competitive, gives parents the opportunity to choose and has public funds following them to schools selected by parents,” he said.

Forget all that stuff about “investing in education.” That would be money well spent.

Caroline Baum, author of “Just What I Said,” is a Bloomberg News columnist. The opinions expressed are her own.

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FWIW, I don't agree with her 'solution' per se. So, what happens when every parent wants to send his children to the local top school? And what, exactly, do you define as 'top school'?

In Paris, Lycees (high schools) Louis XIVth and Henry IVth are the most reputable high schools. They always top any ranking leagues. How do they do it? By selecting the students, directly and indirectly. You can go there because you live in their catchment area - The richest districts in Paris. Those kids are from very privileged backgrounds indeed. And they admit a handful of outsiders, as place permits, on academic grounds i.e. they pick the best. Is it any wonder they do well in ranking tables?

A more interesting measure of a high school quality would be the 'transformational' aspect of it. You start with F students and you manage to turn them into C ones. It won't impress newspapers focusing on ranking but it might impress the parents of F students. And it definitely should blow over central/federal education officials...
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True, but a lot of it's also just basically down to the kids themselves looking at the options and picking the one that's best for them.

I got okay grades and worked like a dog to get into university because I'm a gullible fuckwit who believed all the living the dream BS. If I'd been intelligent I'd have dropped out at 16 and have a nice house and a widescreen tv with a Wii by now.
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Stats don't really back that up, though. University may be slower than striking out and trying your luck in the real world but it's more certain...
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They do quantitative comparisons of the happiness levels of grads and non-grads now?

Sure grads turn out richer, but not that much richer in the great scheme of things. It's not like they'd be in the workhouse otherwise. I'm no ascetic, but tbh for me the difference between, say, a 30" tv and a 50" one isn't that big a deal.
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They do quantitative comparisons of the happiness levels of grads and non-grads now?
Maybe not directly but you can do: Happiness per income level



cumulated with: Income level by educational achievement



and deduct the logical conclusion...

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That might be a personal thing. Most people find the difference between, say, £20k per year and £50k per year pretty sharp...
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Not to co-opt your data for my own argument or anything, but I think that supports my point. The relative lack of a welfare state in the US means that having a degree makes way more difference than (I suspect) it does in the UK or France.
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Quite possibly.

Although I would maintain that being on the SMIC or RMI vs. earning EUR35k is still a pretty sharp difference. I mean, philosophically, you're right. The RMI or SMIC will guarantee you're not dying of hunger and protect you from homelessness. And EUR35k doesn't propel you into a hedonistic lifestyle.

Still, to simply not struggle daily is a great thing.
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Quite possibly.

Although I would maintain that being on the SMIC or RMI vs. earning EUR35k is still a pretty sharp difference. I mean, philosophically, you're right. The RMI or SMIC will guarantee you're not dying of hunger and protect you from homelessness. And EUR35k doesn't propel you into a hedonistic lifestyle.
Sure but the wage scale doesn't go Smic => 70K without anything in between. Most of the guys I went to school with who dropped out after GCSEs/A-Levels have got perfectly good jobs that pay enough for them to have their own house and car.

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Sure, but it makes you lazy - as education systems in the west are finding out.
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The education scandal in America is always pretty funny to watch.

Firstly every international comparison i've seen between education systems has been apples and oranges comparisons. Different countries run their schools differently. Some places where the kids that aren't exactly book smart are encouraged to drop out of school and take up trade programs usually around the age of 15 and almost every study i've seen tests 16yr olds, for some reason the US counts kids taking Pre-Algebra math classes as if they were actually taking Algebra level math for the purposes of these studies, etc etc.

And for all the people on the Chinese bandwagon... they all to a man seem to forget that China has an almost exclusive state run education system.

I do however agree that throwing money at poorly performing inner city schools is mostly a waste of time (but necessary since they get very little money from local taxes which these guys seem to be oblivious of) until you fix the neighborhoods these kids are coming from.

And then there is the fact that America is home to many of the best universities in the world, which includes a lot of state run universities. Which would seem to suggest we do know how to educate people well.

And then of course there is the creativity issue, which is something China seems to have real problems with. But that apparently is completely discarded by the guys at Bloomberg.

Ex. 2009 Intel International Science and Engineering Fair - The three overall grand-prize winners were all young women from American high schools, shown here. For individual best-in-category prizes -- 18 total according to People's Daily, 19 total according to Intel -- all but one went to American students. That one exception was from Taiwan.
Chinese newspaper discussion of the "creativity" problem - James Fallows - Technology - The Atlantic
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