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Old 12-01-11, 06:33 AM
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Mark Steel: We owe it to bankers to feel their pain

Wednesday, 12 January 2011

At last someone has dared to defend the oppressed people of the banking community. Bob Diamond, chief executive of Barclays, who himself has to suffer the trauma of an £8m bonus, said yesterday that the bankers' "period of remorse and apology should be over". And you feel his pain, because the first words to cross your mind when you see a banker are "remorseful and apologetic". Then you're left worrying, "Oh, how I wish the poor souls were slightly less burdened with remorse about their bonus, and didn't apologise with such agonising sincerity about putting it into their wife's name in a series of untraceable accounts based in uninhabitable islands off Ecuador."

But at last they've learnt to stand up for themselves, and Bob Diamond has emerged as their Martin Luther King. Soon the whole banking community will declare: "Say it out loud, I'm 27 million quid in the black and I'm proud."

Eventually some of them will feel able to come forward with stories of their plight, of how they were ashamed to tell even their parents they were a hedge fund manager, and at weekends they would lie to their friends by saying they were putting up shelves when in fact they were flying to the Indian Ocean to buy one of the Maldive Islands.

Already Bankers' Rights activist Lord Jones of HSBC has protested that bankers who received smaller bonuses last year received "not one jot of praise". Isn't that always the way? It was the same with Ronnie Biggs. Everyone goes on about the year he robbed a train but no one gives him credit for all the years he DIDN'T rob any trains. So is it any wonder the bankers have reverted and taken £7bn in bonuses this year? Because last year they received the much more frugal sum of £7bn, which may look the same but that doesn't take into account the higher remorse rate and the punitively high apology index.

In this paper David Buik, a market analyst with BGC Partners, showed his analytical skills with a detailed economic response to the bonuses: "Life is not fair... Folks, get over it! Let's move on!" This is why we have to pay seemingly vast sums to people in the City, because you wouldn't get that level of fiscal genius from any idiot down the pub.

So at last the bankers may win the human rights they deserve, as even the Prime Minister seems likely to back down. According to a Daily Telegraph headline yesterday, "Cameron admits defeat over bonuses for bankers". This shows how flexible Cameron can be, because he fought so hard to reduce those bonuses, asking the bankers as many as one time if they wouldn't mind reducing them although it didn't really matter, but when the bankers resisted through the wily tactic of taking no notice, he showed he was prepared to think again. But Nick Clegg is still as tough as ever, insisting if they want to swipe this much again that "the key issue is to be sensitive".

So now the same attitudes will probably trickle down to the poor. The Government will scrap their plans for cutting housing benefit, and replace it with a voluntary scheme in which they ask claimants whether they fancy receiving less. And instead of student tuition fees there will be a "graduation loan scheme" in which students are asked to loan a sum of their choosing to the Government, unless they'd rather not. Then the head of the CBI will present a series of adverts about benefit fraud, in which he'll say: "This man claimed unemployment benefit for six months while he was driving a truck for his brother's removal firm. But when he didn't claim it one week he received not one jot of praise. Doesn't it make you sick?"

Then a social security analyst will inform us that there are deep social reasons for some people remaining on benefits, which is "Life isn't fair, get over it", and Nick Clegg will insist that when someone's caught claiming £8m in disability benefit while they're training to compete as an Olympic triple jumper, the key issue is they should try and be a bit sensitive.

Mark Steel: We owe it to bankers to feel their pain - Mark Steel, Commentators - The Independent
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Diamond's personal wealth is estimated at £100m. It's impressive, sure, - and I do not know the exact composition of his remuneration package but it is still money made out of Labour (whether you consider it justified or not), not out of Kapital...

i.e. getting him isn't nearly as important as getting empire-mogul guys like the Forbes 100 rich list where people own billions in assets...
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Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais View Post
Diamond's personal wealth is estimated at £100m. It's impressive, sure, - and I do not know the exact composition of his remuneration package but it is still money made out of Labour (whether you consider it justified or not), not out of Kapital...
Thats extraordinarily simplistic. It's actually made out of the labour of masses of other people that has been appropriated.
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Also, you can't forget the important service that these huge remuneration deals provide as a source of fantasies for the rest of us. To be honest, the hopeless dream of one day being able to afford really nice stuff is pretty much the only thing keeping me going.
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Originally Posted by contracycle View Post
Thats extraordinarily simplistic. It's actually made out of the labour of masses of other people that has been appropriated.
How can it be? He is but a worker. Just a successful one.
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These banks apparently make huge amounts of money and we can update Fred Schwed's 1940 question about Wall Street in the 1920s, "Where are the customers' yachts?" (Excerpt
here here
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I read somewhere recently that while Wall Street masters of the universe are making billions in bonuses, their shareholders are expected to accept a pretty ordinary 10 percent return on capital.

Thus, today's question: where are the bank shareholders' Boeing Business Jets? Essential requirement if you want to go somewhere in a hurry with 16 friends.

One of these will hardly make a dent in a Wall Street bonus, at a knock-down price of $42,950,000, negotiable.

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One of these will hardly make a dent in a Wall Street bonus, at a knock-down price of $42,950,000, negotiable.
Actually, it would be half or thereabout of Bob Diamond's personal wealth... And he is a rather successful banker...

Bill Gates, on the other hand, wouldn't even notice the bite...
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Warren Buffett's fractional jets Net Jets business could give poor Diamond a share, say 10%, at only modest inroads into his bonus.

Don't know what a fractional jet is? I noticed this one in an industrial yard near Sydney airport:

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Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais View Post
How can it be? He is but a worker. Just a successful one.
Because quite obviously, banks don't produce a product which is sold for money. They gamble with deposits. Thus the monies they "earn" are not generated by them.
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With the repeal of the Glass-stealgall act, a lot of commercial banks went into the investment banking world...

OTOH, few investment banks tried and became regular commercial banks. For example, you wouldn't be able to open an account with Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley and these banks don't maintain any kind of high street presence.

Outside of the USA, things are a bit different but BarCap is seperate from Barclays for a reason and it is an investment bank based model.

Furthermore, while the banks who got into trouble did gamble their own capital, not all investment banks did so. I don't have the time or even interest to see what was BarCap position within this crisis but, if, as i think i recall, their prop desk was small, they may very well have been amongst the least greedy banks out there and thus amongst those that did relatively well during the crisis. I mean, by virtue of domino effect, they'd have gone down to without gvt support which is why Diamond refusal to thank taxpayers is a bad joke and bad form but he didn't make money by gambling with deposit money. And brokerage fees (BarCap main income stream, iirc) are a (financial) service sold into a market - they 'do' something.
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