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Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais View Post

I expressed myself badly. I meant taxes affect small business owners so we should not increase taxes on them and even find ways to incentivise them to invest more...
looks at you suspiciously because you sound like a Tea Party member.....
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Really? Well, I still don't think there is anything wrong with masturbation or that Obama is an objective follower of Islam and a buddy of Osama Bin Laden bent on destroying the white christian USA.

but, apart from that, sure. I am especially close to those Tea party goers who were working for auto companies and who, when the mvt started to call for not bailing the US auto industry, said "um, eh, guys, hold on a sec' here"...
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Really? Well, I still don't think there is anything wrong with masturbation or that Obama is an objective follower of Islam and a buddy of Osama Bin Laden bent on destroying the white christian USA.
ah, but how do you feel about masturbating WHILE thinking about Obama....if you find that offensive there may still be hope for you.....
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ah, but how do you feel about masturbating WHILE thinking about Obama....if you find that offensive there may still be hope for you.....
Well, sorry, no, I don't find it offensive that either women or gay men would find Obama attractive. Objectively, he is not in a bad shape and he looks very suave on TV. Those are rather appealing traits... except that, in my case, it's more a question of "darn the bastard, I wish I was so effortlessly charming" than "ooooh, i am getting a hard-on". But hey... whatever rocks people boat...
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Real Maverick Confronts One Word, Plastics: Margaret Carlson
By Margaret Carlson - Oct 14, 2010

Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin is not among those members of Congress to have “gone Washington.” He’s as Wisconsin as the Green Bay Packers, walleyes, cheeseheads and chocolate bacon on a stick.

When he ran in 1992, defeating Republican incumbent Bob Kasten after dispatching two wealthy Democrats in the primary, Feingold posted five promises on his garage door that, 18 years later, could serve as the manifesto for this election season’s crop of angry outsiders.

Feingold pledged to live and send his children to public school in Wisconsin, reject any pay raise, visit each of the state’s 72 counties every year and rely on in-state contributions for the bulk of his fundraising. To reduce the influence of money in politics, he joined with Republican John McCain, back when the Arizona senator was still copping to being a maverick, on the McCain-Feingold campaign-finance law.

Feingold stuck to his promises and gave every sign of becoming Senator for Life, following a quirky path in the tradition of the Progressive Movement leader Robert La Follette. He is David against the Goliath of organized special interests. He casts unpopular votes against popular spending programs such as the prescription-drug benefit for seniors. He opposed the North American Free Trade Agreement, the war against Iraq, deregulating banks and, nine years later, bailing them out.

A study by a Harvard University fellow, cited in a recent article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, found that Feingold’s voting behavior deviated from prevailing left-right patterns more dramatically than any other senator in seven of the nine sessions of Congress in which he has served.

2004 Re-election

This was just fine with the Wisconsin electorate, which granted him a third term in 2004 with 55 percent of the vote. For much of this year, he seemed to be one politician who needn’t worry about the tsunami of disgust aimed at incumbents.

Then along came Ron Johnson, a quiet businessman who became wealthy manufacturing plastics. (Fill in your own joke from “The Graduate.”) A political neophyte, Johnson was lured to the Tea Party last fall when organizers of a rally needed a businessman to join Joe the Plumber on stage.

Johnson spoke of the rise of a socialist, European-style state that would diminish America’s place in the world. He demonized Obamacare for a government takeover of the best health-care system in the world, the one that made it possible for two skilled doctors to save the life of his daughter, Carrie, born with a congenital heart defect.

Outside In

The Little Carrie speech ricocheted around the state after being picked up by conservative talk radio. A candidate was born. Willing to spend his considerable savings on a challenge, Johnson turned Feingold into a Washington insider basking in power while Badger State voters lost their jobs, their houses and their life savings.

By highlighting Feingold’s vote for the economic stimulus of 2009, Johnson appealed to nervous independents who have joined angry conservatives in an obsession with spending --never mind the economists who agree that extra government spending was essential to save the country from a depression.

By the “I’m not a witch” standards of many of this year’s challengers, Johnson looks positively statesmanlike, even as he displays more attitude than positions.

He can sound like an audio-books version of “Atlas Shrugged.” He recites jeremiads about government incursions into our lives, the decline of property rights and high taxation. He expresses general admiration for Republican Representative Paul Ryan’s free-market Roadmap for America’s Future without specifying which of its many painful cuts he would embrace. He’s been vague since attributing global warming to sunspots.

Ahead in Polls

Johnson is ahead by about 7 points in recent polls as he threatens to take out a politician as anti-establishment as they get.

Feingold needs to excite hard-core Democrats if he’s to gain a fourth term. So why, when President Barack Obama visited the state that fell hard for him in 2008, did Feingold have pressing business elsewhere?

Yesterday, Feingold found himself available to appear with the Democrats’ most valuable asset, first lady Michelle Obama, who steered clear of issues at a fundraiser in Milwaukee in favor of Mother-in-Chief bromides: “My children are the center of my world. My hopes for their future are at the heart of every single thing I do. And that’s really why I’m here today.”

That, and to drag a wounded senator back to Washington -- although short of personally escorting voters to the polls, there’s little she can do to get Democrats excited.

Business First

Feingold and other endangered Democrats face the oddest of coalitions. Working-class voters most damaged by corporate America have made common cause with new, faux populists to demand tax cuts for the wealthy, the continued under-regulation of corporations such as BP Plc and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and the repeal of Obama’s health-system overhaul so that insurers can decide who will and won’t get care. What’s best for business is best for America.

Those are mere details at a time when voters seem willing to send clowns to Washington just to put some new faces in the circus.

(Margaret Carlson, author of “Anyone Can Grow Up: How George Bush and I Made It to the White House” and former White House correspondent for Time magazine, is a Bloomberg News columnist. The opinions expressed are her own.)
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The Rage Won’t End on Election Day
By FRANK RICH
Published: October 16, 2010

CARL Paladino began his New York gubernatorial campaign by bragging he’d “clean out Albany with a baseball bat.” When an ally likened his main Albany target, the (Jewish) leader of the State Assembly, to “an antichrist or Hitler,” he enthusiastically endorsed the slur. We also learned of Paladino’s repertory of gag e-mails — among them a pornographic picture of a woman having sex with a horse and a photo of an African tribal ritual captioned “Obama Inauguration Rehearsal.” How blind we were not to recognize that his victory in a Republican primary under the proud Tea Party banner was inevitable.

A week ago New Yorkers were presented with a vivid reminder of how a bat can be used as a weapon. A pack of young thugs was charged with torturing three men in the Bronx for being gay, one of whom, The Times reported, was sodomized with “a small baseball bat.”

It’s probably safe to assume that no one in this lynching party has heard of Paladino. Presumably he has heard of them, but a man of Tea Party principles will not compromise, no matter what may be happening in the real world. Don’t tread on Carl! And so last Sunday, as the city was reeling from both the Bronx bloodbath and the earlier leap of a bullied gay Rutgers freshman off the George Washington Bridge, Paladino visited a fringe Orthodox synagogue in Brooklyn to stand his ground. He attacked gays for supposedly plotting to brainwash children into accepting the validity of homosexuality.

We don’t know what will happen on Election Day, but one fairly safe bet is this: Paladino will not be the next governor of New York. However tardily, he’s been disowned not only by the state’s extant, if endangered, cadre of mainstream Republicans but even by some of the hard right. No one apparently told him that while bigotry isn’t always a disqualifier for public office, appearing on YouTube vowing to “take out” a reporter from Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post can be. As a rule, it’s career suicide to threaten to murder your own political base.

But if New Yorkers may take comfort from the pratfall of this particular barbarian at their gate, the national forecast is not so sunny. Paladino is no anomaly in American politics in 2010. He’s just the most clownish illustration of where things have been heading for two years and are still heading. Like the farcical Christine O’Donnell in another blue Northeastern state, he’s a political loss-leader, if you will, whose near-certain defeat on Nov. 2 allows us to indulge in a bit of denial about the level of rage still coursing, sometimes violently, through our national bloodstream.

That wave of anger began with the parallel 2008 cataclysms of the economy’s collapse and Barack Obama’s ascension. The mood has not subsided since. But in the final stretch of 2010, the radical right’s anger is becoming less focused, more free-floating — more likely to be aimed at “government” in general, whatever the location or officials in charge. The anger is also more likely to claim minorities like gays, Latinos and Muslims as collateral damage. This is a significant and understandable shift, if hardly a salutary one. The mad-as-hell crowd in America, still not seeing any solid economic recovery on the horizon, will lash out at any convenient scapegoat.

The rage was easier to parse at the Tea Party’s birth, when, a month after Obama’s inauguration, its founding father, CNBC’s Rick Santelli, directed his rant at the ordinary American “losers” (as he called them) defaulting on their mortgages, and at those in Washington who proposed bailing the losers out. (Funny how the Bush-initiated bank bailouts went unmentioned.) Soon enough, the anger tilted toward Washington in general and the new president in particular. And it kept getting hotter. In June 2009, still just six months into the Obama presidency, the Fox News anchor Shepard Smith broke with his own network’s party line to lament a rise in “amped up” Americans “taking the extra step and getting the gun out.” He viewed the killing of a guard by a neo-Nazi Obama hater at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington as the apotheosis of the “more and more frightening” post-election e-mail surging into Fox.

The moment passed. Glenn Beck, also on Fox, spoke for most on the right when he dismissed the shooter as a “lone gunman nutjob.” Those who showed up with assault rifles at presidential health care rallies that summer were similarly minimized as either solitary oddballs or overzealous Second Amendment patriots. Few cared when The Boston Globe reported last fall that the Secret Service was overwhelmed by death threats against the president as well as a rise in racist hate groups and antigovernment fervor. It’s no better now. In a cover article last month, Barton Gellman wrote in Time that the magazine’s six-month investigation found that “the threat level against the president and other government targets” is at its highest since the antigovernment frenzy that preceded Timothy McVeigh’s bombing of a federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995.

While Obama-hatred remains a staple of the right, the ebbing of his political clout may have diminished him as a catchall for America’s roiling, inchoate rage. The president is no longer the sole personification of evil. For those who see government as Public Enemy No. 1, other targets will do, potentially some as remote from Washington as Oklahoma City.

Dana Milbank, a Washington Post columnist who has written a new book on Beck, has been tracking the case of Byron Williams, a bank robber on parole who injured two California Highway Patrol officers in a July shootout. Williams was out to start a revolution, his mother said, because “Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items.” But instead of picking Congress as his target, Williams was gunning for progressives closer to home, at the Tides Foundation and A.C.L.U. in San Francisco. The Tides Foundation? It’s an obscure nonprofit whose agenda includes education and AIDS prevention. But it’s not obscure to Beck fans, who heard him single it out for vilification 29 times in the 18 months before Williams grabbed his gun.

As Milbank has written, “it’s not fair to blame Beck for violence committed by his fans,” (Is it not? Are calls for blood covered by the Free speech laws? Is only the President protected from death threats?) but he would nonetheless “do well to stop encouraging extremists.” The same could be said of the many politicians who are emulating the Beck template — especially given the tinderbox state of the nation. Whether it’s Sarah Palin instructing her acolytes to “reload” or a congressman yelling “baby killer!” at a colleague on the House floor or Sharron Angle, the Tea Party senatorial candidate from Nevada, proposing that citizens consider “Second Amendment remedies” (a politician calling out for armed rebellion? Is that not classified as treasonous?) to “protect themselves against a tyrannical government,” we know where this can lead.

Even Paladino’s short, crumbling campaign can take credit for a share of the real-world damage in New York’s civil war over the “ground zero mosque” this summer. His television commercials calling the proposed Islamic center “a monument to those who attacked our country” (And then Fredfredson tell me I exaggerate when I say Americans see themselves at war with islam, no matter what the POTUS says...) helped push his primary campaign over the top, noticeably raising the city’s temperature. The fever peaked not quite three weeks after his ads first appeared, when a passenger slashed a New York cab driver in the face and throat simply because he was a Muslim.

Paladino’s fanning of Islamophobia was common among his national political brethren this summer. Equally common was the violence against Muslims and mosques that ensued, whether in Tennessee, Texas or California. Paladino’s antediluvian brand of homophobia is also making a comeback, from O’Donnell, who has called homosexuality an “identity disorder,” to Carly Fiorina, the Senate candidate in California whose campaign is allied with the National Organization for Marriage, notorious for its fear-mongering horror-movie ads portraying same-sex marriage as the apocalypse. Two weeks ago, Jim DeMint, the South Carolina senator who serves as the G.O.P.’s Tea Party kingmaker, reiterated his desire to ban openly gay schoolteachers. Michele Bachmann, Tea Party doyenne of the House, refused to condemn Paladino’s homophobia when asked about it last week on the “Today” show. As Stephen Colbert observed last week, after the G.O.P. repudiated a Congressional candidate in Ohio for wearing an SS uniform, the only line you can’t cross as a Republican is dressing as a Nazi. (Though, as Colbert added, “dressing the president as a Nazi” is O.K.)

Don’t expect the extremism and violence in our politics to subside magically after Election Day — no matter what the results. If Tea Party candidates triumph, they’ll be emboldened. If they lose, the anger and bitterness will grow. The only development that can change this equation is a decisive rescue from our prolonged economic crisis. Not for the first time in history — and not just American history — fear itself is at the root of a rabid outbreak of populist rage against government, minorities and conspiratorial “elites.”

So far neither party has offered a comprehensive antidote to our economic pain. The Democrats have fallen short, and the cynics leading the G.O.P. haven’t so much as tried. We shouldn’t be surprised that this year even a state as seemingly well-mannered as Connecticut has produced a senatorial candidate best known for marching into a wrestling ring to gratuitously kick a man in the groin.
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Johnson is ahead by about 7 points in recent polls as he threatens to take out a politician as anti-establishment as they get.
Feingold was "anti-establishment" when the establishment was Republican.......what's he done for us lately?.....
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TBF, I think that Obama, the moderate Republicans and the rest of the people with some sanity left in DC should all resign together and let the loonies take over at once and totally.

Then, we'd see what would happen... (I suspect corporate America would actually use its K-street lobbyists as actual congressmen then and keep their interests more or less protected and served, somewhat mitigating the disaster. But still, it'd be an interesting object lesson).
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Don't Write Off Those Elites - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com

Don't Write Off Those Elites

Updated October 24, 2010,

Alan Brinkley, the Allan Nevins Professor of History at Columbia University, is the author, most recently, of "The Publisher: Henry Luce and His American Century."

This strange election season, with so many candidates who would never have been even barely plausible in ordinary times, is both familiar and unprecedented.

What is familiar is the way in which bad economic times always leads to unusual politics: popular movements, angry at whatever centers of power people blame for their problems, the turn to scapegoats (immigrants, radicals and other unpopular groups). In the great depression of the 1890s, the populist movement flourished as a third party along with many other bizarre political movements and ideas. In the 1930s, this was even more the case — and so what we are seeing now is certainly not unprecedented.

What's different is that disaffected voters can coalesce around Fox News and the Web.
What is unprecedented, I think, is the traction these new movements have made in electoral politics. The movements of the 1890s and the 1930s produced political parties and political challenges, but they made very little real progress. (The People’s Party was one of the most important third parties ever created, and it succeeded in electing some populists to Congress and other posts. But even their successes were limited and short-lived.)

What’s different today, I think, is the way in which once marginal ideas and movements have become enormously well-known through modern communications. People angry and disaffected used to have nowhere to go. Now they can join with millions of others to create something very much like a movement through the Internet and other new forms of communication.

The present-day Tea Party began in much the same way as many other movements: Coxey’s Army, the 1933 Bonus March and many other briefly famous protests soon forgotten. But the Tea Party movement, which began with a modest amount of publicity from its first demonstration in Washington, grew like wildfire as a result of high visibility on the Internet and on Fox News.

More important, these movements — however large they might have become — would not in the past have had a major political impact. This year, the Tea Party movement has had tremendous political success so far, with unknown newcomers overturning established politicians. It has galvanized the Republican electorate, but I’m not sure the Republican leadership will welcome the “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” character of many of their new allies.

Will this last and permanently change American politics? Politics changes all the time, but I doubt the Tea Party will survive — and the political establishment will likely re-establish its dominance before long.
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More Than Anger; It's Mourning - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com

Mourning in America

Updated October 24, 2010
Kathryn Jean Lopez is the editor at large of National Review Online and a nationally syndicated columnist.

More than one novice candidate has told me this year that what made him decide he had to do more than be an energized voter was his anger -- outrage, really -- at a White House and a Congress that recklessly pushed through health care legislation this spring.

The profound sadness at the 'death' of the country is transforming civic lives.
Voters are angry about mindless bipartisan spending. They’re angry that state attempts to control a dangerous border are attacked by the very federal government that has failed to protect it and enforce the law. They’re angry that Americans serving their country abroad have a commander-in-chief who can’t seem to think about domestic policy and our military at the same time. But it is so much more than that.

Fred Davis, a Republican media consultant, has captured the big picture in his “Mourning in America” ad that is running in Nevada, among other places. People who are perplexed as to why the majority leader of the Senate may lose his seat to a grandmother from Reno ought to take a look at the ad for some clues.

YouTube - Mourning in America

[One thing I find interesting about this video about the dying of the American working-middle class is that there is not a single non-white person being featured. I am not one to accuse people of racism at the drop of a hat. Sometimes, problems are correlated to skin colour - although there is no causation. But, seriously, 2010 in the US and you don't think the plight of the black and latinos are worth a split second appearance in your own "Dude, who killed my American Dream?" video? Wow. That's pretty self-centered!]

There is more than anger among Americans; there is mourning. There is a grave concern that the United States that we have known and loved, and that men have fought and died for, is slipping away.

You’ve heard it at the core of Marco Rubio’s Senate campaign in Florida. You heard it in Representative Paul Ryan’s viral speech on the House floor in March. As Mr. Davis framed it to me earlier this fall, this Election Day is a response to “overreaching, bad policies at the wrong time in our economic history.” It’s the economy. But that’s only a panel on the window, for anyone looking in.

The Tea Party movement is a reaction to Washington, generally speaking, being poor stewards of the public trust. Many of those who are now engaged, some for the first time in their lives, see it as their civic duty to continue to keep their representatives accountable.

Time will tell whether this anger subsides. But the mourning is real, and mourning has a way of transforming lives -- in this case, our civic lives.
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