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Old 14-09-10, 01:36 PM
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Roma deportations by France 'a disgrace', says EU

European Union justice commissioner compares expulsions to Vichy France's deportation of Jews


* Ian Traynor in Brussels
* guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 14 September 2010 12.24 BST


THe EU justice commissioner Viviane Reding hits out at France's expulsions of Gypsies, in Brussels. THe EU justice commissioner Viviane Reding hits out at France's expulsions of Gypsies, at EU HQ in Brussels. Photograph: Olivier Hoslet/EPA

Brussels confronted France today for the first time over President Nicolas Sarkozy's anti-Gypsy campaign, threatening legal action against the French government for its deportations of almost 1,000 Roma in recent weeks.

In a furious ultimatum to the French after weeks of being accused of pusillanimity, Viviane Reding, the European commissioner for justice and fundamental rights, likened the French deportations of Roma to Vichy France's treatment of Jews, denounced French conduct as "a disgrace", and announced likely "infringement proceedings" which could see France hauled before the European court of justice.

The showdown represented a policy U-turn only a few days after she declared that Paris was sending "very positive" signals on its Roma policy.

The volte-face was triggered by the leak of a French government document demonstrating that Gypsies from Romania and Bulgaria were the explicit targets of a Sarkozy policy to shut down 300 immigrant encampments.

Over the past six weeks, the French authorities have expelled almost 1,000 Roma and demolished scores of camps, while repeatedly denying that Roma were the target of the campaign.

Reding effectively accused the French authorities of lying and has clearly been enraged by the perceived duplicity.

"I can only express my deepest regrets that the political assurances given by two French ministers officially mandated to discuss this matter with the European Commission are now openly contradicted by an administrative circular issued by the same government," she said.

"This is not a minor offence. This is a disgrace … My patience is wearing thin. Enough is enough."

Reding went to the European parliament in Strasbourg last week and was strongly attacked by MEPs for being seen to appease the French. The parliament passed a resolution strongly condemning the French, while the commission prevaricated.

The European commission is charged with upholding European law as laid down by EU treaties. Until today, Reding had refused to say whether France was breaking a 2004 law enshrining freedom of movement across the EU, including Romania and Bulgaria. The Gypsies deported from France are EU citizens.

The EU's charter of fundamental rights also outlaws discrimination on ethnic grounds. The leaked French policy paper revealed that the Roma were being targeted collectively.

"I am personally convinced that the commission will have no choice but to initiate infringement action against France," said Reding.

"I have been appalled by a situation which gave the impression that people are being removed from a member state of the EU just because they belong to a certain ethnic minority. This is a situation I had thought Europe would not have to witness again after the second world war."

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Viviane Reding, the European commissioner for justice and fundamental rights, likened the French deportations of Roma to Vichy France's treatment of Jews
Gee. That's proportionate.

*shrugs* Hate to defend this or anything, but let's not go overboard. When Swedes start building cardboard cities in the banlieues then I expect that we'll deport them too. I'm pretty sure that EU law says that it's legal to deport people from another member state as long as they've been homeless in your country for 3+ months.
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Gee. That's proportionate.
Yes.

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Yeah, if that hadn't been leaked it'd probably have been ok.
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It still wouldn't have been OK, there just wouldn't have been proof.
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I wonder if they really need deporting. I dunno how much they cost overall. I guess that they probably commit a certain amount of crime, and they don't pay taxes but then they don't use public services much either. The women they send out to wail on the metro with their babies are kind of tiresome, but if you were going to deport people for being tiresome on the metro I'd start with couples getting off in the middle of the carriage and people who listen to music from their mobiles without headphones.

I'd guess that it probably cost more than it's saved, especially as they'll all be back in two months.
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It still wouldn't have been OK, there just wouldn't have been proof.
I think it's more likely a semantic flub than deliberate racism. I mean, it's not like they've been clearing out the Roma but ignoring the Irish shanty town right next door. No one else lives like that.
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Yes.
Is it? So you mean that someone is going to extermine the deported Roms?

Let's be honest. I dislike very much what's going on and it is nothing but the latest "security" gimmick by a president I loathe.

OTOH, trying to compare that with the Holocaust is bad taste, pure and simple. Just as comparing Guantanamo to the gulags is/was... Scale matters. Intent matters. Actual treatment matters.
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That is disengenuous. German anti-semitosm didn't start with the building of gas-chambers; it started with hostility, the identification of alien-ness, with deportations and petty hate crimes. So yes, it perfectly correct to draw the comparison, and it shouldn't need to be explicitly drawn in the first place: it should be screamingly obvious.

This is exactly what it looks like; a racist policy by a right wing president who has already been playing the race card vigorously.
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So if they didn't specifically target the Roma but just deported the shanty town dwellers, most of whom were Roma then it would be alright?

Some how I suspect there would still be alot of complaining going on.

Frankly deporting a group who make no attempt to join in the society but instead squat in the middle of it simply to take advantage of a liberal system is NOT a bad idea.

Call me simplistic if you will

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