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Old 07-09-10, 10:07 PM
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France: Protests over pensions bring over a million onto boulevards


Huge numbers turned out throughout France to demonstrate against plans to raise the retirement age from 60 to 62


* Lizzy Davies in Paris
* guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 7 September 2010 20.56 BST

French protesters furious over the government's proposals to change the pensions system flooded the boulevards of cities from Paris to Marseille today as Nicolas Sarkozy's embattled labour minister presented the reform to a parliament echoing with jeers.

Huge numbers of people – 1.1 million according to the government, 2.7 million according to the leading CGT union – turned out throughout France to demonstrate against plans to raise the retirement age from 60 to 62. There was significant disruption caused to trains, planes and public services as a result of the strike. In the capital alone, the CGT union estimated the number of protesters at 270,000.

"It is about time the government reacts," said Francois Chérèque, leader of the CFDT union, last night, claiming the "massive" turnout had given the protesters moral authority to demand changes to the bill.

In the Assemblée nationale, Eric Woerth, the minister seriously undermined by the scandal surrounding L'Oréal heiress Liliane Bettencourt, hailed the reform as one of "courage and … reason". Fighting to make himself heard above booing from the opposition, he said the proposals were "an essential element of our social pact".

For its opponents, however, the law is an affront to France's traditions of worker rights and generous post-career provision. "The legal [retirement] age of 60 years old is … a question of justice," said Martine Aubry, leader of the Socialist party. She has said she would reinstate the sacrosanct Mitterrand-era retirement age if elected in 2012. "Higher life expectancy has to be taken into account, but not like this," she told Le Parisien.

Pointing to demographic and economic necessity, the government wants to trim the country's budget deficit and avoid a pensions black hole in years to come. France has one of the lowest retirement ages and most generous retirement package of any European country; it also has a £27bn deficit in its state pension fund which could more than double by 2030.

To combat this, the law proposes raising the legal age of retirement to 62 by 2018, raising the age of full pension entitlement from 65 to 67, and extending the period of contributions, employer and employee, from 40.5 years to 41.5 years by 2020.

Sarkozy, whose approval ratings are consistently in the mid-thirties, regards the reform as crucial for France's future financial health, while observers say its passing is crucial to his re-election.

But, after today's turnout, the unions and leftwing opposition will be pushing for concessions. They say that more can be done to ease the burden on people who, for instance, started work in their teens, people – often women – with several different pensions because of disjointed careers, or those toiling in dangerous or strenuous industries.

One employee at a PSA Peugeot Citroen car factory in eastern France told Le Monde his job was exhausting. "I have colleagues who have been here for 40 years. The very idea that they will be made to work two more years makes me mad," he said. "Pushing people to the limit will lead to a greater occurrence of workplace illness, which will serve merely to deepen the hole in the state health service. Where's the logic in that?"

While adamant that there will be no rowing back on the main pillars of the reform, Sarkozy has indicated he is willing to consider tweaking the proposals to placate the unions. Today, in the Assemblée nationale, the opposition drew on the action on the streets to demand the government give in. "Are you going to hear the anger of the people?" asked Lionel Paul, a Communist MP, before members of his party prompted a temporary suspension of parliament by dumping their pension petitions on the desk in front of Francois Fillon, the prime minister.

In remarks to MPs, Fillon goaded the Socialist opposition for having failed to act on the issue while in power and defended the government's "reasonable" choice which, he said, was "indispensable for the financing of French people's pensions".

The latest opinion polls show around two-thirds of French people support today's strike, although opinions are more divided over whether the retirement age should be kept at 60.

Roland Cayrol, a political academic at Sciences Po in Paris, believes the big turnout was about more than just opposition to the pensions changes, to which, he said, many French people had become "resigned". What had brought many onto the streets, he said, was a "big moment of social exasperation. Never in the history of opinion polls have French people been so convinced of social injustice," he said.

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Old 07-09-10, 10:15 PM
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For its opponents, however, the law is an affront to France's traditions of worker rights and generous post-career provision. "The legal [retirement] age of 60 years old is … a question of justice," said Martine Aubry, leader of the Socialist party. She has said she would reinstate the sacrosanct Mitterrand-era retirement age if elected in 2012. "Higher life expectancy has to be taken into account, but not like this," she told Le Parisien.
Well hey, since I'm the one that's paying for it why not just roll the age right back to 16? Then you could spare them the injustice of ever having to do any work at all.
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Seeing as you're paying for it, you should elso be interested in the right to get what you pay for.
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To be fair, one thing to consider: French companies tend to get rid of their 55+ employees any which way they can. I am all for raising the retirement age and stuff but one thing left unclear is who is going to employ these older workers...

French companies are terrible employers, the french state is even worst and my intuitions tell me that France does suffer from a lack of entrepreneurs, as GWB, with his famous Bushism on "France having no words for entrepreneurs", pointed out...
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Originally Posted by contracycle View Post
Seeing as you're paying for it, you should elso be interested in the right to get what you pay for.
Yeah. You know, you're right. I too want to buy $1,000 worth of stuff for $500. Somehow, it doesn't work that way...

And, again, before you start on that point, yes, confiscating all the wealth of rich would be a solution. However, it is not the one these boomers are looking for... They seem to be perfectly happy just screwing me, who cannot fight, rather than the rich... I wonder why...
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But then 60's a pretty arbitrary number too, when you come down to it. Money is obviously no object here so why not 58 or 42? I sometimes have trouble sleeping worrying about the terrible injustice they're suffering. I figure that if we borrow like crazy we can set the retirement age at 16 until the day I die, when it can be raised to 249. As far as I can see this is a plan with no drawbacks.
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Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais View Post
Yeah. You know, you're right. I too want to buy $1,000 worth of stuff for $500. Somehow, it doesn't work that way...
Bollocks. You paid $1000 and now the seller is unilaterally deciding only to give you $500 worth. That is what is happening here.

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That makes no sense and is merely a projection.
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It makes perfect sense.

The people protesting yesterday aren't campaigning for the rich to be expropriated to fill in the pensions gap and pay of the national debt, they're campaigning for things to stay exactly as they are now. So that would involve the current generation of retirees being supported by those currently paying prélèvements - employees, businesses and the state (i.e. tax payers, now or future), and taxes and yet more borrowing being used to pay off the interest on our national debt (already the second biggest item on the budget after education).
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Originally Posted by contracycle View Post
Bollocks. You paid $1000 and now the seller is unilaterally deciding only to give you $500 worth. That is what is happening here.
Look at the numbers - They're a defecit. So, by definition, they didn't pay in enough. Especially because, as it is a repartition system, you cannot even blame that on bad market performance...

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Zichao answered that one more clearly than I could...
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I dare say contra would be a happier man if the retirement age had been lowered to three months before birth. The nuclear confrontation during the Cold War raised the possibility of such terminal retirement.

Regrettably it was not a choice that ordinary people were offered.
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