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Old 14-07-10, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bateman View Post
I'll ask again and maybe someone can provide me with an answer.
Why should anyone respond when you simply ignore answers you don't like?
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Originally Posted by contracycle View Post
Why should anyone respond when you simply ignore answers you don't like?
Why not just set me straight if I'm missing something?

Benjamin might describe my 'ranting' as diseased but he pointed up the flaw in your argument did he not? It's a fact that if you share approx 98 or 99 or whatever percent of your genes with all humanity then you cannot exclude your parents and say,

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And you haven't even tried, not you or anyone else to contradict my main assertion, which is that white people, who comprise but a minor fraction of the worlds population both now and historically, are massively overrepresented when it comes to pushing the creative envelope in every sphere of human endeavour. None of you are going to touch it and so it's the elephant in the room of the debate on race. People are bullied and their careers threatened if they try to question the cosy consensus on race in the West.

I happily predict that nno many how many times I bump this thread back up the board no one will take this one on because they can only lose badly and that's because all the observational and historical and statistical evidence is on my side.
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Old 15-07-10, 02:06 AM
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Whatever the explanation for 'white achievement,' and I'd say the question is complex and not nearly as weighted one-way as you paint it, it's diseased to think it means what you think it means. It's diseased to think the matter at all important. I do not ascribe a picogram of my self-worth to my skin color, or genetic heritage in any sense.
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Whatever the explanation for 'white achievement,' and I'd say the question is complex and not nearly as weighted one-way as you paint it, it's diseased to think it means what you think it means. It's diseased to think the matter at all important. I do not ascribe a picogram of my self-worth to my skin color, or genetic heritage in any sense.
Black people do. Are they diseased?

What about all the other people who bang on about heritage and identity and 'culture'. All the aboriginal peoples of the world. They care a lot about those things and want to preserve them which means not assimilating, are they diseased?
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Old 16-07-10, 12:20 AM
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Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Is there some reason I should care a lot?

I predict you are at a total loss to imagine that I actually don't. It seems so unquestionable and obvious to you. It as if I asked 'why care about breathing?'
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It's also worth noting that no one has touched on my initial point, that being that there is huge statistical and observational evidence to back up the idea of consistent racial differences.

Easy ones first. Tell me when was the last time a white man was 100 metre world champion?

In the context of sport racial difference is undeniable. When was the last black man crowned world chess champion?
Bateman,

If you are seriously interested in an answer to the questions, consider that race (in the sense of "white men", "black Africans", "Latinos") is not determined by genes. It is common to assume that all Italians have dark hair, which is why there has never been a fair-headed Italian prime minister. But, while it is unlikely, it is as possible as a dark-haired prime minister of Norway:



The same principle applies to top class sprinters and distance runners. (Champions in both sports tend to come from Africa, although from different parts - east Africa and west Africa, respectively.) Superiority may come from genetic variations that occur in those populations (but no more distinguish someone who comes from Jamaica or Kenya than that a blue-eyed politician must come from England or that a brown-eyed politician cannot).

You cannot define a race (pun unintended) by seeing which people are the fastest sprinters and which, the fastest distance runners. These are perhaps one out of a million, and not characteristic of the average population from which they come.

As far as chess-playing goes, do citizens of the former USSR have a chess-excelling gene-set?

Bobby Fischer is perhaps America's best known former world chess champion. His parents married in Moscow in 1933 although neither was Russian, or even Slavic. Clearly, chess mastery is not genetic. It is something that the Soviet Union put in the water supply.

Historically, chess has not been big as a sport in Africa. However according to a chess blog post last Tuesday:
After football, it's chess in Africa


Tenth World Chess Champion Boris Spassky

Hello Everyone!

The Football World Cup is over but not the talk about Africa. So this news item caught our attention. Former World Chess Champion Grandmaster Boris Spassky will be visiting Nigeria next year for Professor Wole Soyinka’s inaugural International Masters Chess Tournament.

Since Africa has been the flavor of the season it's not too early really to carry the news. The tournament, scheduled to be held from 10-17 July, 2011, is in honour of the literary icon and Noble Laureate Wole Soyinka. Prof. Soyinka celebrates his 77th birthday on July 13, 2011.

So, go Waka, Waka ... This time for chess in Africa!
Maybe people who can run fast can also become good at chess if they put their minds to it.
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Old 16-07-10, 04:41 PM
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Black people do. Are they diseased?

What about all the other people who bang on about heritage and identity and 'culture'. All the aboriginal peoples of the world. They care a lot about those things and want to preserve them which means not assimilating, are they diseased?
Let me try to be clearer. I don't regard racial/ethnic/national/cultural chauvinism as a disease. I regard it as an irrational instinct, but not in itself a disease. It's when you throw in the anger at the other, the obsession, and especially the fear and loathing and identity narcissism, that I start to think the term 'disease' is appropriate.

If and when members of the not-your-groups that you mention show such, yes, I'd call them 'diseased' too.
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Old 17-07-10, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bateman View Post
Why not just set me straight if I'm missing something?
Why should I bother?

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but he pointed up the flaw in your argument did he not?
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And you haven't even tried, not you or anyone else to contradict my main assertion,
You could find plenty of contradicting info if you were bothered and intellectually honest. See my first response.
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