Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais

More conspirational crap. The simple truth is that conservatively minded masses are anti-immigration because it costs jobs. Bosses and liberal upper classes tend to be pro-immigration exactly for the reason you mention: It brings them benefits. To imagine that the 2 attitudes are linked in a behind-the-scene arrangement is just conspiracy theory bullshit.

It's not a conspiracy, it's class consciousness. This is how it works. It doesn't need a conspiracy.

Originally Posted by contracycle

It's not a conspiracy, it's class consciousness. This is how it works. It doesn't need a conspiracy.

So how come the same political end of the spectrum (the "conservatives") end up being split?

Business-friendly parties could also call themselves "liberal" for a reason...

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Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais

So how come the same political end of the spectrum (the "conservatives") end up being split?

Because capitalism is composed of unresolvable contradictions.

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Business-friendly parties could also call themselves "liberal" for a reason...

Yes exactly. Hence the development of Labour: to provide an alternative to the interests of the bosses.

Sleight of hand.

There is no conspiracy nor behind the scenes agreement between pro-immigration bosses and anti-immigration conservatives. Both positions are genuinely held. Iolo was saying, lest you forget, "Their papers always denounce 'aliens' who are stealing 'our' jobs, and they always employ those aliens as blacklegs and always have".

Are you sure you want to agree with him?

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Originally Posted by contracycle

Irrelevant nonsense; resisting an occupation is not identical with ethnic cleansing.

And if the natives decided to resist the occupation from the non-natives?

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But I don't think you're at all even-handed, and point out that or all your denunciation of the blame game, blame is all you talk about.

You dot think I'm even handed? Can you quote anything that I have said that supports such a claim?

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Why is it you seem to think that klilling civilians by one side won't be reciprocated by the other? As I said, it's very simple: you will get paid back in kind.

Where on earth have I said anything like that?

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Another nonsense point. Nobody fights for Northumbrian independence, it can be forgotten. People do still oppose the occupation of Ireland, it can't be forgotten. Hoiw long do you defend the indefensible?

And what if the someone did start to fight for Northumbrian indpendence? Does that in turn justify itself? That is circular logic of the most daft kind.
And no, it's can be forgotten, and hopefully will be forgotten, sadly there has been a rise in murders/bombs by some republicians in the past year or so, we can all only hope that calms down again. Unless ofcourse you'd like to see the bloodshed continue.
Also what am I defending that in indefensible?

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Except you don't seem to believe that, given the lengths you go to construct excuses for the British. Furthermore, it's an occupation. How can you maintain it without violence? If want to end the violence, end the occupation: same as anywhere else.

I think I know what I believe more that you do, thanks.
And I'd also like to seesome kf these excuses I'm suppose to have made.
And the way you talk about this occupation is dripping in generalities and ignorence. Please explain what violence is current being employed as you suggest, and also what exactly do you think would happen if the Brits 'left' ? Form an all Ireland?

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