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Old 13-06-10, 04:59 PM
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The deterrence illusion

Deterrence is no guarantee of peace – and the US needs to understand why, before it makes any more promises it can't keep


o Stanley Kober
o guardian.co.uk, Sunday 13 June 2010 13.00 BST


The world at the beginning of the 21st century bears an eerie – and disquieting – resemblance to Europe at the beginning of the last century.

That was also an era of globalisation. New technologies for transportation and communication were transforming the world. Europeans had lived so long in peace that war seemed irrational. And they were right, up to a point.

The first world war was the product of a mode of rational thinking that went badly off course. The peace of Europe was based on security assurances. Germany was the protector of Austria-Hungary, and Russia was the protector of Serbia.

The prospect of escalation was supposed to prevent war, and it did– until, finally, it didn't. The Russians, who should have been deterred – they had suffered a terrible defeat at the hands of Japan just a few years before – decided they had to come to the support of their fellow Slavs.

As countries honoured their commitments, a system that was designed to prevent war instead widened it.

We have also been living in an age of globalisation, especially since the end of the cold war, but it too is increasingly being challenged.

And just like the situation at the beginning of the last century, deterrence is not working. Much is made, for example, of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato) invoking Article V – the famous "three musketeers" pledge that an attack on one member is to be considered as an attack on all – following the terrorist attacks of September 11.

But the United States is the most powerful member of Nato by far. Indeed, in 2001, it was widely considered to be a hegemon, a hyperpower. Other countries wanted to be in Nato because they felt an American guarantee would provide security.

And yet it was the US that was attacked.

This failure of deterrence has not received the attention it deserves. It is, after all, not unique. The North Vietnamese were not deterred by the American guarantee to South Vietnam. Similarly, Hezbollah was not deterred in Lebanon in the 1980s, and American forces were assaulted in Somalia. What has been going wrong?

The successful deterrence of the superpowers during the cold war led to the belief that if such powerful countries could be deterred, then lesser powers should fall into line when confronted with an overwhelmingly powerful adversary.

It is plausible, but it may be too rational. For all their ideological differences, the US and the Soviet Union observed red lines during the cold war. There were crises – Berlin, Cuba, to name a couple – but these did not touch on emotional issues or vital interests, so that compromise and retreat were possible.

Indeed, what we may have missed in the west is the importance of retreat in Soviet ideology. "Victory is impossible unless [the revolutionary parties] have learned both how to attack and how to retreat properly," Lenin wrote in "Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder. When the Soviets retreated, the US took the credit. Deterrence worked. But what if retreat was part of the plan all along?

What if, in other words, the Soviet Union was the exception rather than the rule?

That question is more urgent because, in the post-cold war world, the US has expanded its security guarantees, even as its enemies show they are not impressed.

The Iraqi insurgents were not intimidated by President Bush's challenge to "bring 'em on". The Taliban have made an extraordinary comeback from oblivion and show no respect for American power. North Korea is demonstrating increasing belligerence.

And yet the US keeps emphasising security through alliances. "We believe that there are certain commitments, as we saw in a bipartisan basis to Nato, that need to be embedded in the DNA of American foreign policy," secretary of state Hillary Clinton affirmed in introducing the new National Security Strategy.

But that was the reason the US was in Vietnam. It had a bipartisan commitment to South Vietnam under the Southeast Asia Treaty Organisation, reaffirmed through the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, which passed Congress with only two dissenting votes. It didn't work, and found its commitments were not embedded in its DNA. Americans turned against the war, Secretary Clinton among them.

The great powers could not guarantee peace in Europe a century ago, and the US could not guarantee it in Asia a half-century ago.

Before the US makes further guarantees, it needs to understand the reasons for these failures, lest new promises lead to tragedy both for the US and those who would put their trust in it.

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Old 13-06-10, 07:24 PM
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What 'peace' is the author talking about? His allusions to the first World War make it sound as if he's talking about a serious major power conventional war. That's extremely unlikely to occur because of the deterrence method he derides, because that's what it's designed to do. It's not designed for smaller, localized conflicts and no wonder they persist.
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Yeah, I was pretty surprised to look up this guy's biography and find out that this is what he does for a living. Nato is worthless because it failed to stop 9/11?

I know academic success is all about contacts rather than ideas, but someone should throw this guy out because he's dragging the good name of IR studies (such as at was) through the mud. They should also hire me instead, because while I know no one important I could write this same article a million times better.
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I am fascinated to learn that the Cuba Missile Crisis touched neither on emotional issues nor vital interests. So did they just do it for fun?
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Wow. You lot go out of your way to find, indeed manufacture, stuff to complain about.

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What 'peace' is the author talking about?
You know, peace. People keep saying we are at war, right?

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His allusions to the first World War make it sound as if he's talking about a serious major power conventional war.
The point being that major wars are often as not begun by localised conflicts.

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It's not designed for smaller, localized conflicts and no wonder they persist.
In which case, perhaps the US should investigate something that IS designed for localised conflicts given the risk they present.

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Nato is worthless because it failed to stop 9/11?
He didn't say that. But he pointed out ther limits to deterrence, and that in fact for everyone else an association with the US made them a target, defeating the object.

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I am fascinated to learn that the Cuba Missile Crisis touched neither on emotional issues nor vital interests.
It obviously didn't. The Holy Motherland was not being trodden by alien feet. The heartland of the state was not in danger. It was a peripheral issue, and therefore something from which backing down was viable. This doesn't mean it was casual or trivial.


Seems to me these responses are largely driven by a cheap desire to score points by imagining flaws to criticise. Perhaps you would do well to adopt the practice of charitable reading.
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Weel, to be fair, Contra, someone who misses out the economic driver to WWI (which is no longer present in our systems) misses a lot in trying to make a comparison between these two globalisation phases.

And, sorry, but yeah - Deterrence NATO-style is meant to stop people nuking themselves, mainly USA-USSR. It worked. Right now, I doubt Iran or NK are ever going to take direct, nuclear, action against the US 'motherland'. That's deterrence working. It doesn't stop NK nuking or invading SK because, for the US, SK is a peripherical matter and so may re-think its commitment if the costs involved change.

The author speaks about Vietnam but, for the US, Vietnam may have been emotional and lead to some generational changes (of sort) but, really, let's be fair, losing Vietnam didn't change anything meaningful for the US... They didn't even lose that many people over there...
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And? I'm failing to see where this challenges anything in the OP.
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i.e. deterrence does what it says on the tin but it ain't the tool to end all conflicts, for ever...
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The world at the beginning of the 21st century bears an eerie – and disquieting – resemblance to Europe at the beginning of the last century.

That was also an era of globalisation. New technologies for transportation and communication were transforming the world. Europeans had lived so long in peace that war seemed irrational. And they were right, up to a point.
Sure, except for the whole colonial issue making Germany feel inadaquate, the tensions surrounding Turkey and the Balkans, the economic aspects cited by Gilles and the lively spirit of revanchisme in France, everything was hunky-dory.

And 22 years counts as "so long"? Well, I guess a week is a long time in politics...

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The first world war was the product of a mode of rational thinking that went badly off course. The peace of Europe was based on security assurances. Germany was the protector of Austria-Hungary, and Russia was the protector of Serbia.
But, like I say, no one was actually aiming for peace at the time. If you'd mentioned it as an objective to an early 20th century statesman he'd have looked at you as though you were batty.

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We have also been living in an age of globalisation, especially since the end of the cold war, but it too is increasingly being challenged.
I'm not convinced. It's so facile to treat globalisation as an ideological movement. Sure it has political effects, but so did the black death and we don't call that "black deathism" and say that the emancipation of the serfs was a result of their desire to challenge it.

Al Qaeda are children and beneficiaries of globalisation just like the rest of us.

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And just like the situation at the beginning of the last century, deterrence is not working.
I say again, it's anachronistic to talk about deterrence in an early 20th century context.

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Much is made, for example, of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato) invoking Article V – the famous "three musketeers" pledge that an attack on one member is to be considered as an attack on all – following the terrorist attacks of September 11.
Yup. We kicked some Afghan hiney and it wasn't even directly the Taliban's fault. One point to mutual defense alliances.

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But the United States is the most powerful member of Nato by far. Indeed, in 2001, it was widely considered to be a hegemon, a hyperpower. Other countries wanted to be in Nato because they felt an American guarantee would provide security.

And yet it was the US that was attacked.
Yeah. Feel your pain and all that, but this isn't actually all about you.

What actually screwed up Nato's reputation as a protector of plucky little capitalists the world over was its failure to intervene to protect Georgia against Russia.

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This failure of deterrence has not received the attention it deserves.
You mean that 9/11 hasn't received sufficient attention? Wow. You're just me, me, me, aren't you?

Or you mean that the fact that a mutual defense alliance based on Westphalian concepts of sovereignty and self-defense is no good against terrorists? Again, I hate to break it to you but Nato members have been suffering terrorist attacks for decades, and I didn't see you hyperventillating about them. The UK spent the whole of the 80s having the fuck bombed out of it by the IRA, and no one expected Nato to intervene in that.

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It is, after all, not unique. The North Vietnamese were not deterred by the American guarantee to South Vietnam. Similarly, Hezbollah was not deterred in Lebanon in the 1980s, and American forces were assaulted in Somalia. What has been going wrong?
None of them invaded a member of Nato. Job done.

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The successful deterrence of the superpowers during the cold war led to the belief that if such powerful countries could be deterred, then lesser powers should fall into line when confronted with an overwhelmingly powerful adversary.
Mostly they do. Tends to be states that have abandoned the concept of sovereignty in itself and hence have little to lose that fight back.

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It is plausible, but it may be too rational. For all their ideological differences, the US and the Soviet Union observed red lines during the cold war. There were crises – Berlin, Cuba, to name a couple – but these did not touch on emotional issues or vital interests, so that compromise and retreat were possible.
Again, it's been said already but it seems like Cuba was pretty vital/emotional. I mean how strict are your criteria? How operatic do things have to get before they can be considered emotional?

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Indeed, what we may have missed in the west is the importance of retreat in Soviet ideology. "Victory is impossible unless [the revolutionary parties] have learned both how to attack and how to retreat properly," Lenin wrote in "Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder. When the Soviets retreated, the US took the credit. Deterrence worked. But what if retreat was part of the plan all along?
Then, no offense, but it was a pretty pointless plan.

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The Iraqi insurgents were not intimidated by President Bush's challenge to "bring 'em on". The Taliban have made an extraordinary comeback from oblivion and show no respect for American power.
Non state entities again. Strike two for Zichao's Big Sovereignty Theory.

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North Korea is demonstrating increasing belligerence.
Oooooh! "Increasing belligerence"! I'm shaking in my shoes!

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And yet the US keeps emphasising security through alliances. "We believe that there are certain commitments, as we saw in a bipartisan basis to Nato, that need to be embedded in the DNA of American foreign policy," secretary of state Hillary Clinton affirmed in introducing the new National Security Strategy.
Well I have no respect whatsoever for Hill, but she's got to say that stuff. Even Rumsfeld still paid lip-service to it.

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But that was the reason the US was in Vietnam. It had a bipartisan commitment to South Vietnam under the Southeast Asia Treaty Organisation, reaffirmed through the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, which passed Congress with only two dissenting votes. It didn't work, and found its commitments were not embedded in its DNA. Americans turned against the war, Secretary Clinton among them.
Not entirely sure what point's being made here.

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The great powers could not guarantee peace in Europe a century ago, and the US could not guarantee it in Asia a half-century ago.
Again, peace not the objective.
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Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais View Post
i.e. deterrence does what it says on the tin but it ain't the tool to end all conflicts, for ever...
Yes, I think that was rather the point.
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