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Old 19-01-12, 02:50 PM
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Argentina hits back at David Cameron over colonialism jibe | UK news | The Guardian

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Britain and Argentina have revived the rhetoric of the 1980s after David Cameron accused Buenos Aires of adopting a colonial attitude towards the Falkland Islands.

Amid growing tensions ahead of the 30th anniversary of the Argentinian invasion, the prime minister said he called a meeting of Britain's national security council (NSC) on Tuesday, mainly to discuss the islands.

Afterwards, William Hague, the foreign secretary, flew off of a pre-arranged visit to Brazil to raise Britain's concerns over Argentina.

Britain is prepared to increase its military presence in the South Atlantic if Argentina embarks on further provocative measures, though this is seen as highly unlikely.

The latest row erupted as the prime minister threw Argentina's rhetoric back at Buenos Aires which refers to the Falkland Islands as Las Malvinas. Telling MPs that he convened a meeting of the NSC on the Falklands to ensure "our defences and everything else are in order", he said: "The key point is that we support the Falkland islanders' right to self-determination. I would argue that what the Argentinians have said recently is far more like colonialism, as these people want to remain British and the Argentinians want them to do something else."

But the Argentine government was quick to hit back at Cameron. Florencio Randazzo, the interior minister, said: "It's totally offensive."

Hector Timerman, the foreign minister, described Britain as "a synonym for colonialism." He was quoted by Reuters as saying: "Evidently at a time when only scraps of colonialism linger, Great Britain … has decided to rewrite history."

Hague received a frosty reception when he raised Britain's concerns with the Brazilian government. Antonio Patriota, the Brazilian foreign minister, said he would support the Argentinian call for Mercosur nations – Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay – to turn away vessels flying Falkland Island flags. "Minister Hague knows that Brazil … supports the sovereignty of Argentina over the Malvinas and we support the United Nations resolution that calls for discussion about the issue with Argentina," Patriota said.

Buenos Aires recently persuaded Mercosur members to close their ports to ships flying the Falkland Islands flag. Argentina has also been highly critical of the decision to deploy the Duke of Cambridge to the Falklands for six weeks in his role as a search and rescue helicopter pilot. The Ministry of Defence said the deployment was standard practice.

Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands in April 1982 after Britain lowered its military strength in the South Atlantic in the wake of defence cuts introduced by Margaret Thatcher's newly elected government.

Ministers at Tuesday's meeting of the NSC made clear they were prepared to increase the British military presence in the South Atlantic. However, no move is imminent.

The Foreign Office, which is concerned about the tough language from Buenos Aires in recent months, believes that Britain's military presence on the Falkland Islands will deter Argentina. "There is a lot of shadow boxing," said one source who pointed out that Falkland Islands ships had no problem docking in Mercosur ports because they fly the Red Ensign.

The prime minister later reiterated his message at a press conference with Mario Monti, the Italian prime minister. "The reason for holding a national security council – which also discussed other topics – is to discuss that issue, is to make sure nobody is in any doubt that Britain supports that right of self-determination, and we will go on doing so for as long as people in the Falklands want to continue in that way," he said.
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c'mon - Britain, which controls a territory on the other side of the planet, is accusing the guys a few 100 kilometers away of "colonialism". That's got to be irony...
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What are we supposed to do? Organise an orderly transfer of sovereignty back to the penguins?
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I am just saying the choice of words is beyond comedy... "The Argentinians are uselessly aggressive", "the Argentinians are evil to oppose the right of people to self-determination" (although the Scots and Northern Irish may have a thing or two to say about that last bit) are all okay.

But Britain criticising others for colonialism? Too funny.
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Well, it made me smile.
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It's not about land or people it's about mineral rights. After the Junta's invasion in 1982 Argentina has no moral argument about colonisation.
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Falklanders: We are the luckiest working-class people on earth - Americas - World - The Independent

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Thirty years ago the Falkland Islands was a windswept rocky outpost where shepherds tended vast estates for absentee landlords and the young went overseas in search of work, leaving behind a dwindling population and a severe shortage of women. Now the gales power wind turbines, the graduates are returning, the population has risen 65 per cent, and the Malvinas House hotel hums with oil contractors.


Stanley is still a sleepy town of one-storey whitewashed wooden houses with corrugated iron roofs painted red, green and blue, so clean and colourful it looks like a film set. But houses now sprawl more than a mile across the sea front as the economy has ballooned from £5m in 1980, to £109m in 2007, although the Falklands' entire GDP is still smaller than the budget of an inner-city London council. The islands are now economically self-sufficient, apart from the military, which costs 0.5 per cent of the UK defence budget.

But some things never change, such as the sniping words between British and Argentine leaders. As the 30th anniversary of the Falklands War approaches, a familiar spat about sovereignty of the islands has broken out. David Cameron has accused Argentina of "colonialism" and approved contingency plans to increase the British military presence on the islands. Argentina's Foreign Minister has responded angrily, describing the Prime Minister's comments as "insensitive" and Prince William's forthcoming tour of the Falklands as a provocation.

Behind the war of words there have been several years of mounting Argentinian economic pressure aimed at persuading Falkland Islanders to discuss sovereignty. But the economic squeeze may be counter-productive, hardening the attitude of young islanders who had been open to strengthening ties with South America.

Last month, the South American trading block Mercosur passed a resolution banning vessels flying Falklands flags from entering South American ports. On the treeless rocky landscape of the Falklands, it is hard to grow fruit and vegetables, and islanders are reliant on imports. Argentinian shipping-permit requirements imposed in 2010 have already ended a weekly shipment of fresh food and farming supplies from Chile, causing sharp price rises on the islands. Argentina also wants Chile to end the weekly airline flight from Puerto Arenas which would cut the Falklands off from the Americas altogether.

Speaking in the East Falkland accent that combines a New Zealand twang with a West Country burr, sheep farmer Paul Phillips said: "We used to get oat seed, and maybe turnip and swede, and the big advantage from getting it from Chile was the freight was cheaper. Now, bringing everything through UK, it don't take long for prices to go through the roof." Shula, his wife, adds that the price of a litre of milk has risen from 75p to £1.25 since the Chilean boat stopped. But high wool prices have shielded their farm from the impact.

Before 1982, the biggest landowner, the Falkland Islands Company, owned by Coalite, ran seven farms accounting for 43 per cent of the total acreage. After the war, the land was divided and sold to islanders. Most is now owned by smaller family farms.

Assembly member Mike Summers said: "It was feudal and colonialistic, but what you see now is a modern egalitarian society with opportunity for everyone."

Robert Rowlands, who rose from humble beginnings to become a director of a prominent local fuel business, remembers the days of the sheep-ocracy, when a small elite met in the colony club and "the rest of us owned nothing. It's beyond our wildest dreams how it's changed. Now we are the luckiest working-class people in the world."

Sixty per cent of the islands' revenues come from selling fishing licences, mainly to Spanish trawlers catching squid. The income from the fisheries, as well as grants totalling £46m from the UK government, has transformed the lives of the islanders. Where once British soldiers yomped across marshy scrubland, roads have been built, reducing the isolation of many farms.

More than two-thirds of the residents own four-wheel drives, islanders order deliveries from Tesco.com and Argos.com and the fashion-conscious choose their clothes from the Asos clothes website. The population has risen 65 per cent since 1980 to 3,000, with almost half the population under the age of 35. With a generosity which would make UK students green with envy, the Falkland Island government pays for all young islanders who get five good GCSEs, to live and study for A-levels and degrees in England. Most of those young graduates return to the ilands.

There also many foreign workers servicing the economy, with the search for oil fuelling the influx. Five small oil companies hold licences to explore the waters surrounding the islands, and British-owned Rockhopper Petroleum says it has found a site with 350 million barrels of petroleum. If tests prove positive, it hopes to start extractionin 2016, although not all independent analysts agree the site is economically viable.

It is hard to find anyone against oil drilling on the Falklands. Another assembly member, Jan Cheek, said: "There is more risk of a spill from a passing tanker than from a properly regulated oil industry."

Oil wealth also gives the Falklands the possibility of becoming independent, paying for its own defence, and perhaps even overseas aid for the UK or South America, says Mike Summers, but this is a "long, long way off".

Yet the prospect of an oil boom, coupled with a growing sense of unity and confidence among the left-wing governments of South America, has hardened attitudes in Argentina. During the 1990s, the Carlos Menem government signed deals on fishing and hydrocarbons in the Falklands, but now Buenos Aires has pulled out of all talks and says it will discuss nothing except sovereignty. The Foreign Office and Falkland Island government are willing to discuss anything except sovereignty.

This impasse has frustrated young graduates in the Falklands, many of whom would be happy to increase trade, tourism and environmental co-operation with Argentina, without discussing sovereignty.

Zoe Luxton, a vet, said: "There are some people who lived through the conflict who are so traumatised, I don't think they could ever think rationally about making links with Argentina. We could quite easily make trade and tourism links, but sovereignty is not an issue. No one wants to be Argentinian. End of."

Graduates speak of their willingness to talk to Argentinian professionals and even, in the future, to join Mercosur. But with Argentina refusing even to talk, said Mr Summers, such a gradual rapprochement is impossible.

"The common-sense position would be for Argentina to be nice to us, talk to us about all sorts of practical issues and get on with people here, then over time our children or our grandchildren or our great grandchildren may take the view that they would be better off associated with Argentina or Mercosur than the United Kingdom," he said.

"That would be a proper exercise in the right of self-determination, but colonising first or doing it by force is not."
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"No one wants to be Argentinian. End of."

Then have a bloody referendum and send the damn result in an envelop to Buenos Aires and tell them - "The people have spoken. Now fuck off".

"Before 1982, the biggest landowner, the Falkland Islands Company, owned by Coalite, ran seven farms accounting for 43 per cent of the total acreage. After the war, the land was divided and sold to islanders. Most is now owned by smaller family farms [...] "It was feudal and colonialistic, but what you see now is a modern egalitarian society with opportunity for everyone." [...] "Now we are the luckiest working-class people in the world."

Contra would be pleased to hear that...
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The Argentinians already know. They'll just say that the current inhabitants are colonists.
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But formalising help. Just as saying "we cannot talk about sovereignty" doesn't help. Talk about it. Say "Yep. Sovereignty. Let's talk about it. Those islanders want to be British. End of. Now we've talked about it. Happy? Can we get on with the rest of the agenda?"
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