So once again, it's impossible for anyone to honestly hold different political opinions from you. Either they're a feckless idiot or a corrupt shill.

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Bullshit. THAT is the dishonesty to which I take exception.

But you do think that blacks who vote Republican are idiots..?

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I just said exactly the opposite of that, didn't I?

If conservatives are all crypto-racists, I don't really see how they can be anything but.

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No, I did NOT say that. All I did was refer to the "conservative crypto-racist line", and the correlation between conservatove and racist politics is very strong. That is an observation about institutions, not individuals.

Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais

Sure. Actually, I don't think it's forgiveness and pragmatism. It's having an ideological position/belief so strong that it overwhelms the rest, the past etc. And that is the definition of stupidity. Blacks may dislike gays far more than the regular Dem. But most of them don't vote Rep on the basis of that. Their ideological dislike of gay doesn't get in the way of them voting for the party more likely to help them/least likely to actively seek to hurt them.

It doesn't have to because they can just vote on any referendum that is guaranteed to come about. They just vote No On 2, or w/e, and thats that.

And its not like Dems have truly championed the cause outside of a few states either.

Take the 2010 general election. The #1 reason the Dems got killed across the country was because all those Obama voters from 2008 didn't show up. And the reason they didn't show up was because they were Obama supporters, not Democrat supporters.

And so it comes back, IMO, to some conservative minded guy who really doesn't want government getting involved in his life too much, either for good or bad, and so he doesn't really care that Sen. Bob Bigot thinks Walmart shout be able to hang a sign in its windows reading "No Blacks Allowed" because Conservative Minded Black Guy also thinks that private business should be allowed to discriminate against whomever they like for whatever reason they like.

Its not the best situation to be in, but nobody said life was easy right? And it sure beats voting for lib'rulls.

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Originally Posted by contracycle

No, I did NOT say that. All I did was refer to the "conservative crypto-racist line", and the correlation between conservatove and racist politics is very strong. That is an observation about institutions, not individuals.

But if they're as racist as you say, then any black voting for them is pretty stupid. Just got to prove they're actually, preponderantly racist.

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And so it comes back, IMO, to some conservative minded guy who really doesn't want government getting involved in his life too much, either for good or bad, and so he doesn't really care that Sen. Bob Bigot thinks Walmart shout be able to hang a sign in its windows reading "No Blacks Allowed" because Conservative Minded Black Guy also thinks that private business should be allowed to discriminate against whomever they like for whatever reason they like.

Well yeah, democracy's pretty much about voting for what you think is best for the country, rather than your own narrow interests.

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Originally Posted by Zichao

But if they're as racist as you say, then any black voting for them is pretty stupid. Just got to prove they're actually, preponderantly racist.

Well that's a dilemma for them, not for me. Hence they might choose - or convince themselves they have chosen - an MP or other representative who's not like that. I think this will be detrimental in the long run, but I'm not saying they cannot make that choice.

As for evidence, pick any country you like and you willo find its nationalist/racist/isolationist wing is attached to the Conservative political groups.