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Classic victim blaming. SHE is at fault, she just wasn't tough enough. Which is exactly the same fucking emotional blackmail that was used on her right there on the set. Why should she even have to be tough, if this is just a job like any other? If it's nothing to be worried out?

Classic transforming of everyone who isn't a middle-class, white male into an irredemable victim.

Certainly, we've all signed up in a moment of exuberantly overconfident lying to jobs for which we are eminently unqualified, but if you agree to take part in a choking-and-school-uniforms film, unless you're mentally subnormal you should have a basic idea of what that will involve.

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Youre neatly ignoring the bit where the FILM CREW intervened becuase they felt that were becoming accessories to rape.

Made a great film, too, I bet. Lucky old them.

And basically, what Gilles said. This isn't typical. Illegal immigrants frequently get coerced into making t-shirts for crap wages and with long hours, often with the threat of violence if they don't shut up and do what they're told. Should we ban the manufacture of t-shirts, just to be on the safe side?

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So what? That's only the porn industry. It's a good indication that his practices were unusually rough but at the same time it confirms that there is an express market for men who want to watch women being seriously abused. And that it's better for them if those women are dressed up as little girls too. This is the deliberate serving of misogynistic fantasies.

Not just men either, there's a pretty substantial section of women who enjoy that sort of thing too.

But yeah I agree. People thinking bad thoughts must be stopped at all costs...

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Been looking for a chance to bring this out for ages:



Someone on some manga forum uses it as her sig and it makes me smile every time.

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[quote=Zichao;41776]Classic transforming of everyone who isn't a middle-class, white male into an irredemable victim.[/'quote]

Oh what bullshit. Now you're just resorting to a sacntimonious "I'm all right Jack".

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And basically, what Gilles said. This isn't typical. Illegal immigrants frequently get coerced into making t-shirts for crap wages and with long hours, often with the threat of violence if they don't shut up and do what they're told. Should we ban the manufacture of t-shirts, just to be on the safe side?

No, but that doesn't justify doing nothing about it. and it CERTAINLY doesn't justify mocking those who are trying.

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Not just men either, there's a pretty substantial section of women who enjoy that sort of thing too.

Which is irrelevant, becuase by definition of the men who are buying this stuff, it's not what the performners really desire, and if it WAS then it wouldn't be abusive and thus pointless to the buyer.

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But yeah I agree. People thinking bad thoughts must be stopped at all costs...

Tedious, unimaginative one-note argument.

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Oh what bullshit. Now you're just resorting to a sacntimonious "I'm all right Jack".

No, but, seriously. How come you're not all concerned for the guys featuring in these things. The only reasonable conclusion is that you believe that women are too stupid to know what they're doing.

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No, but that doesn't justify doing nothing about it. and it CERTAINLY doesn't justify mocking those who are trying.

In the case of t-shirt making it's legal and regulated, and the authorities do their best to track down people breaking the rules. Ditto for porn.

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Which is irrelevant, becuase by definition of the men who are buying this stuff, it's not what the performners really desire, and if it WAS then it wouldn't be abusive and thus pointless to the buyer.

I think we're getting into the realms of fantasy here, Corporal...

The people - male and female - who buy this stuff aren't all idiots. They know that if it's legal then it's not real. Also, in a lot of cases it's obviously not real because the only legal way to do it is via cartoons. And yes, terrible as it may seem, there are women who like reading about nasty, non consensual sex. You just can't legislate for desire.

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Tedious, unimaginative one-note argument.

Why else would you want to ban play-acting and cartoons?

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Why should she even have to be tough, if this is just a job like any other?

No one said it's a job like any other.

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"I was prepared to find that I found it extremely erotic and quite interesting. But the truth is that having been on about 26 porn sets, it felt like being in the bottom of a lavatory bowl after a while."

Wow. Who would have thought? A fantasy didn't turn out as nicely in real life as it did in the guy's own head? Never happened to anyone else, no sir.

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What might notionally have been an intriguing spectacle quickly became a depressing obligation.

I remember, way back when, we were reading/looking at some porn mags and someone was saying " 'must be cool to be the photographer of those" and someone a tiny bit older said "Bof, I bet that, after a very little while, it gets just as boring as every other repetitive job"... We were around 15 and we could already figure this one out. We must have been geniuses...

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But the argument that only prurient anti-sex killjoys have any concerns is bogus.

But no one deny that there must be laws regulating this industry just as there ought to be laws for pretty much ALL industries.

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At the same time it confirms that there is an express market for men who want to watch women being seriously abused. And that it's better for them if those women are dressed up as little girls too. This is the deliberate serving of misogynistic fantasies.

You had any doubt?! Of course, there is a market. FFS. What are all those rape fantasies and the Japanese mangas about schoolgirls raped by alien octopuses?

The point about play rape or whatnot is in "play".

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But no one deny that there must be laws regulating this industry just as there ought to be laws for pretty much ALL industries.

The best way to ensure that it is regulated is to ensure that it is legal.

This is one of several legal brothels within half an hour's walk of where we live:



It is in a shopping strip with a picture framing business on the left side and a methadone clinic on the right. It causes no problems to anyone else and nobody else causes problems to it. The business is subject to occupational health and safety, tax and employment laws just like any other.

The US belief that sexual services should be illegal is difficult to understand.