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Libya: Barack Obama 'overruled top legal advice'

BBC News - Libya: Barack Obama 'overruled top legal advice'

Barack Obama overruled the advice of administration lawyers in deciding the US could continue participating in the Libya conflict without congressional approval, The New York Times reports.

The White House insists the president did not need congressional approval to authorise US support for Nato's mission, because the military campaign is limited in scope.

Critics argue the action violates a Vietnam War-era law limiting military action without congressional approval to 60 days.

The newspaper report said Pentagon General Counsel Jeh Johnson and acting head of the justice department's Office of Legal Counsel Caroline Krass had advised Mr Obama that the US involvement in the Libya air campaign constituted "hostilities".

But the US president opted to follow the advice of White House counsel Robert Bauer and state department legal adviser Harold Koh, who argued the US involvement fell short of "hostilities", the paper said.

US presidents can override the legal conclusions of the Office of Legal Counsel, but it is very rare for that to happen, analysts say.

Drone 'hostilities'?

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 states Congress must authorise participation in hostilities longer than 60 days, although the president can seek a 30-day extension.

Members of Congress have accused Mr Obama of violating that law since 20 May, when the 60-day deadline ended. Sunday marks 90 days since the US joined the Nato-led no-fly zone mission over Libya.

President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner in May Mr Obama and Mr Boehner are playing golf this weekend

In a 32-page document delivered to Congress this week, the White House said that US forces involved in the Nato campaign were merely playing a supporting role.

That role, it said, did not match the definition of "hostilities" as described under the War Powers Resolution of 1973.

"US military operations are distinct from the kind of 'hostilities' contemplated by the resolution's 60-day termination provision," it said.

White House spokesman Eric Schultz said the law in question had been the subject of fierce debate.

There was a "robust process through which the president received the advice he relied on in determining the application" of the War Powers Resolution, said Mr Schultz on Thursday.

"It should come as no surprise that there would be some disagreements, even within an administration, regarding the application of a statute that is nearly 40 years old to a unique and evolving conflict. Those disagreements are ordinary and healthy," he added.

The revelation that key administration officials had wrangled over the legal implications of the Libya crisis could intensify anger in Congress over continued US participation in the conflict that is said to be costing the US some $10m a day, correspondents say.

On Thursday, John Boehner, the Republican speaker of the House of Representatives said: "The White House says there are no hostilities taking place. Yet we've got drone attacks under way.

"We're spending $10 million a day. We're part of an effort to drop bombs on Gaddafi's compounds. It just doesn't pass the straight-face test, in my view, that we're not in the midst of hostilities."

Libya is expected to be among the issues Mr Boehner and Mr Obama will discuss this weekend as they play a round of golf at an undisclosed location.
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The US role in Libya involves helping Nato aircraft with refuelling operations and assisting with intelligence-gathering, said the White House.

The Obama administration insists that the US is not engaged in sustained fighting or "active exchanges of fire with hostile forces" that put US troops at risk.

Under the US constitution, the power to declare war lies with Congress.

A bipartisan group of US lawmakers is suing Mr Obama in federal court for taking military action in Libya without authorisation from Congress.

The lawsuit alleges the president has violated the US constitution by bypassing Congress.
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This one doesn't pass the "are you fucking serious?" test.

If China was doing to the US, what the US is doing to Libya, it would be the start of WWIII.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

The only good thing I can say about Obama is that he's happy with the status quo. At least he's not acting as badly as the new Republican governors in WI. OH. MI. FL. and NJ.
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Obama's subversion of war powers

The US is involved in 'hostilities' against Libya, which demands a vote in Congress. The president is in breach of the constitution

Tom Rogan
guardian.co.uk, Friday 17 June 2011 17.58 BST


On Wednesday, the White House provided Congress with a report on US operations in Libya. This report claims that the US military's ongoing involvement in Libya does not amount to "hostilities" and, as such, does not require the approval of Congress. In this assertion, the Obama administration is engaging in legal spin of the worst kind.

While the president is the commander-in-chief of the US military, since the passage of the War Powers Resolution in 1973, Congress has required that the president seek congressional approval for combat operations continuing after a period of 60 days. This resolution expanded the implied authority of Congress that stems from the constitutional power of Congress to declare war. While the US supreme court has not visited the constitutionality of the War Powers Resolution, the resolution's precedence has motivated all presidents since Nixon to seek approval (if sometimes indirectly) for relevant US military deployments abroad. This included President George W Bush with regard to both Iraq and Afghanistan.

In the case of Iraq, while a senator, Obama was inclined to a highly assertive consideration of the reach of congressional war authority. In this context, that the Obama administration is now arguing US military involvement in Libya does not require authorisation from Congress is patently absurd. In terms of both material support and strategy, the US is unquestionably engaged in hostilities against the Libyan regime.

Considering material support, the US contribution is clear. The administration report argues that because US forces are not engaged in sustained fighting, America's military forces are not engaged in "hostilities". This is either stupidity or a blatant misrepresentation of the nature of conflict. The ongoing US commitment to coalition operations in Libya includes the provision of heavy logistics support (predominantly airlift), command and control capabilities, 70% of the coalition's intelligence-gathering assets and predator drone assets. Further, as the Obama administration itself reports, the US provides "a majority of its refuelling assets, enabling coalition aircraft to stay in the air longer and undertake more strikes".

These US military assets enable the coalition to wage war against Gaddafi. Without American support, the coalition's military efficacy would be substantially degraded. In the same way that intelligence from US ground forces in Afghanistan enables air strikes against the Taliban, by providing coalition allies with intelligence on Gaddafi regime targets, the US plays a direct and critical role in the destruction of those targets. To argue that applied intelligence and logistics are not crucial elements of hostilities is to ignore every military thinker from Sun Tzu to Petraeus.

Considering US strategy, the intention of US operations in Libya is also abundantly clear. While the administration argues in its report and following interviews that US military actions are inherently focused on protection of civilians, the practical strategic objective is obviously the removal of Gaddafi from power and the end of his regime. In a textbook Clausewitzian sense, by destroying the Libyan military, the coalition is seeking to remove Gaddafi's means of resistance and force his compliance with the coalition's will. The coalition is not simply protecting defined humanitarian safe zones; it is waging war.

The US political consensus on Libya has been weak and unconventional from the start, involving for example, cross-party alliances between normal polar opposites like Kucinich and Boehner. However, by plying Congress with excuses devoid of truth and logic instead of attempts at consensus and engagement, the Obama administration is not only failing to lead, it is asserting a profound, hypocritical and dangerous expansion of executive power. The American people deserve better.

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Libya: it's not a war if Americans can't get hurt

The Obama administration claims that if the adversary cannot fight back, it's not a war. 'Kinetic military action', anyone?


Jonathan Schell for TomDispatch
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 22 June 2011 10.30 BST


The Obama administration has come up with a remarkable justification for going to war against Libya without the congressional approval required by the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973.

American planes are taking off, they are entering Libyan air space, they are locating targets, they are dropping bombs, and the bombs are killing and injuring people and destroying things. It is war. Some say it is a good war and some say it is a bad war, but surely it is a war.

Nonetheless, the Obama administration insists it is not a war. Why?

Because, according to "United States Activities in Libya", a 32-page report that the administration released last week, "U.S. operations do not involve sustained fighting or active exchanges of fire with hostile forces, nor do they involve the presence of U.S. ground troops, U.S. casualties or a serious threat thereof, or any significant chance of escalation into a conflict characterised by those factors."

In other words, the balance of forces is so lopsided in favour of the United States that no Americans are dying or are threatened with dying. War is only war, it seems, when Americans are dying, when we die. When only they, the Libyans, die, it is something else for which there is as yet apparently no name. When they attack, it is war. When we attack, it is not.

This cannot be classified as anything but strange thinking and it depends, in turn, on a strange fact: that, in our day, it is indeed possible for some countries (or maybe only our own), for the first time in history, to wage war without receiving a scratch in return. This was nearly accomplished in the bombing of Serbia in 1999, in which only one American plane was shot down (and the pilot rescued).

The epitome of this new warfare is the predator drone, which has become an emblem of the Obama administration. Its human operators can sit at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada or in Langley, Virginia, while the drone floats above Afghanistan or Pakistan or Yemen or Libya, pouring destruction down from the skies. War waged in this way is without casualties for the wager because none of its soldiers are near the scene of battle – if that is even the right word for what is going on.

Some strange conclusions follow from this strange thinking and these strange facts. In the old scheme of things, an attack on a country was an act of war, no matter who launched it or what happened next. Now, the Obama administration claims that if the adversary cannot fight back, there is no war.

It follows that adversaries of the United States have a new motive for, if not equaling us, then at least doing us some damage. Only then will they be accorded the legal protections (such as they are) of authorised war. Without that, they are at the mercy of the whim of the president.

The War Powers Resolution permits the president to initiate military operations only when the nation is directly attacked, when there is "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces". The Obama administration, however, justifies its actions in the Libyan intervention precisely on the grounds that there is no threat to the invading forces, much less the territories of the United States.

There is a parallel here with the administration of George W. Bush on the issue of torture (though not, needless to say, a parallel between the Libyan war itself, which I oppose but whose merits can be reasonably debated, and torture, which is wholly reprehensible). President Bush wanted the torture he was ordering not to be considered torture, so he arranged to get lawyers in the Justice department to write legal-sounding opinions excluding certain forms of torture, such as waterboarding, from the definition of the word. Those practices were thenceforward called "enhanced interrogation techniques".

Now, Obama wants his Libyan war not to be a war and so has arranged to define a certain kind of war – the American-casualty-free kind – as not war (though without even the full support of his own lawyers). Along with Libya, a good English word – war – is under attack.

In these semantic operations of power upon language, a word is separated from its commonly accepted meaning. The meanings of words are one of the few common grounds that communities naturally share. When agreed meanings are challenged, no one can use the words in question without stirring up spurious "debates", as happened with the word torture. For instance, mainstream news organisations, submissive to George Bush's decisions on the meanings of words, stopped calling waterboarding torture and started calling it other things, including "enhanced interrogation techniques", but also "harsh treatment", "abusive practices", and so on.

Will the news media now stop calling the war against Libya a war? No euphemism for war has yet caught on, though soon after launching its Libyan attacks, an administration official proposed the phrase "kinetic military action" and more recently, in that 32-page report, the term of choice was "limited military operations". No doubt someone will come up with something catchier soon.

How did the administration twist itself into this pretzel? An interview that Charlie Savage and Mark Landler of the New York Times held with State Department legal advisor Harold Koh sheds at least some light on the matter. Many administrations and legislators have taken issue with the War Powers Resolution, claiming it challenges powers inherent in the presidency. Others, such as Bush administration Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Yoo, have argued that the Constitution's plain declaration that Congress "shall declare war" does not mean what most readers think it means, and so leaves the president free to initiate all kinds of wars.

Koh has long opposed these interpretations – and in a way, even now, he remains consistent. Speaking for the administration, he still upholds Congress's power to declare war and the constitutionality of the War Powers Resolution. "We are not saying the president can take the country into war on his own," he told the Times. "We are not saying the War Powers Resolution is unconstitutional or should be scrapped or that we can refuse to consult Congress. We are saying the limited nature of this particular mission is not the kind of 'hostilities' envisioned by the War Powers Resolution."

In a curious way, then, a desire to avoid challenge to existing law has forced assault on the dictionary. For the Obama administration to go ahead with a war lacking any form of Congressional authorisation, it had to challenge either law or the common meaning of words. Either the law or language had to give.

It chose language.

Libya: it's not a war if Americans can't get hurt | Jonathan Schell | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
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I propose "enhanced democracy maintenance"...

Yep, it's a tupsy-torvy world. However, one thing does strike me. If all military actions against enemies (apart from surprise attacks on US interests/forces/soil) require Congress approval, how does something like NATO can work?
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If all military actions against enemies (apart from surprise attacks on US interests/forces/soil) require Congress approval, how does something like NATO can work?
The rules say the POTUS can use military force as required for 60 days with a possible extension to 90 days before getting congressional approval.

Back in the Cold War any major conflict was unlikely to last longer than that anyway!

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Mouais. Bizarre rule anyhow.

Imagine the USA picked a fight with someone capable to fight back. After 90 days, the Congress refuses the ratify the war. POTUS says 'okay, sorry, we stop now'.

You think the enemy is going to reply 'oh well, fair enough then, we understand - it was just a bit of a misunderstanding'.

c'mon...

Obama is definitely using a slight of hand but the truth is that he would never get a Republican Congress to back him up for anything unless US soil was attacked. I suspect that, even if US military bases were attacked, the Rep would find ways to complain and refuse to back him up. You think they'd have backed Clinton after stuff like the USS Cole if Clinton reaction had been to invade someone randomly?

I don't know if there is a good way to declare war/enter military operations. I knew GWB was wrong to invade Iraq. But, to a degree, I am not sure that getting Congress to vote on whether to invade or not is the best method to avoid such mistakes. Because, here, in the case of Libya, I am a lot more divided. I don't know whether it's wrong or right. To a degree, it'll be outcome-driven - If we win, Gaddafi goes and Libya prospers, Obama is right. If we lose, the thing degenerates into a bloodbath or a civil war, then Obama is wrong.

So I'd prefer something like: "Okay, Mr President, you decide. But if it backfires, you get a bullet in the back of the head. Fair enough?"
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Mouais. Bizarre rule anyhow.

Imagine the USA picked a fight with someone capable to fight back. After 90 days, the Congress refuses the ratify the war. POTUS says 'okay, sorry, we stop now'.

You think the enemy is going to reply 'oh well, fair enough then, we understand - it was just a bit of a misunderstanding'.

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True enough. Hence the reason Bush needed all the lies and deception to get agreement to invade Iraq. Not required for the initial Afghan campaign post 9-11 though, or Clinton's cruise missile strikes either.

Also remember that, officially the President, even as C and C, cannot declare war only Congress can. The nature of war in the nuclear era is such that it could be over before anyone had a chance to ask about it. Hence the 60 day wiggle room allowance.

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The nature of war in the nuclear era is such that it could be over before anyone had a chance to ask about it. Hence the 60 day wiggle room allowance.
In which case, 60 days is too much. They'd better off declaring "acts of obvious self-defense (such as retaliation for nuclear attacks against US/US Allies soil) is okay without Congress prior approval while all acts carried out to support US's foreign policy aims are to be approved by Congress".
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Congress Is Too Timid to Fight Its Libya War

Congress Is Too Timid to Fight Its Libya War: Stephen L. Carter - Bloomberg

By Stephen L. Carter Jun 23, 2011

Stephen L. Carter is a professor of law at Yale, where he teaches courses on contracts, professional responsibility, ethics in literature, intellectual property and the law and ethics of war.

In late 1907, President Theodore Roosevelt decided to send the cream of the U.S. Navy -- known as the Great White Fleet -- steaming around the world.

Congressional leaders, concerned about cost, warned that an appropriation to support the show of American power might not be forthcoming. Roosevelt replied that the money was already in hand, and he dared them to “try to get it back.”

Congress backed down.

What brings the story of the Great White Fleet to mind is the lawsuit filed last week by a bipartisan group of House members asking the federal courts to put an end to U.S. participation in the war in Libya, which they say is in violation of the War Powers Resolution. One senses in the appeal to judges the tragic desperation of a branch of government unwilling or unable to exercise its constitutional authority.

If Congress really wanted to end the U.S. role in the Libya war, it possesses the means to do so; all that is lacking is the political will. Indeed, there is little the president can do on his own if a sufficiently determined Congress decides to stop him.

As the constitutional theorist Charles Black pointed out 35 years ago, if one actually pages through the Constitution, one finds that Congress has far more authority than the president. Wrote Black: “as a matter of irreducible minimum, the presidency is an office of very little uncontrollable power.” On paper, at least -- still quoting Black -- Congress controls “just about everything.”

A Powerful Purse

The Founders, wary of executive authority, believed that by granting to the House and the Senate the power of the purse, they were providing a crucial tool for reining in the president. James Madison, in Federalist No. 58, called the power of the purse “the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people.”

Thus today’s acid debate about the constitutional distribution of war powers misses the more obvious point: Any time Congress truly wants to stop the president, it is free to cut off the money.

People of good will may differ on the wisdom of the war in Libya (and when you fire missiles into another country you are at war, no matter what the Obama administration says), but no one can deny that the war is expensive. The labyrinthine nature of the defense budget makes precise figures difficult to come by, but the administration estimated that the first week of the war cost the United States about $600 million. Even with the reduced American participation since, the price comes to between $9 million and $10 million a day.

Stop the Flow

This is a great deal of money, and the military can spend it only with congressional acquiescence. If members of Congress truly want to end American involvement, they should not go hat in hand to the federal courts; they should fight hard, on the floors of the House and the Senate, to cut off the money.

It is not as though Congress has never attempted such a thing. In 1973, Congress cut off money for all U.S. combat activities in Indochina. More recently, it adopted riders prohibiting the use of any appropriated financing for the transfer of detainees from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to United States soil.

But the 1973 cutoff was imposed on a weakened President Richard Nixon, and the Guantanamo amendment reflected public ire. Neither represented the determination by an equal branch of the federal government to protect its constitutional prerogatives.

Other Branches Understand

If Congress, as a body, believes that presidents should not go to war without its permission, the remedy is obvious: cut off the financing every time it happens, even for wars its members happen to support. The difficulty, as Black pointed out, is Congress’s inability to think of itself as a branch of government, possessing prerogatives and powers that must be protected against encroachment.

Other branches get this point. Suppose Congress passed, and the president signed, a law depriving the Supreme Court of jurisdiction over abortion cases. The justices who support abortion rights would be joined by those who oppose them in striking down so blatant an intrusion into the prerogatives of the judiciary.

Congress, too, should behave this way. The Founders saw the separation of powers as the principal shield against the arbitrary and uncontrolled exercise of authority. Congress is supposed to check the president. So why doesn’t it fight back more often?

Merely Party Functionaries

Part of the problem is the distortion of the electoral incentive: Except for a handful of members in very safe and very liberal districts, spending measures that can be characterized as against our men and women in uniform are unlikely to play well in the voting booth. Then there is the well-attested difficulty of building legislative coalitions.

Perhaps the greatest challenge is that members of Congress see themselves first as party functionaries, not as protectors of their own constitutional prerogatives.

This congressional reticence is unfortunate. A president would be ill-advised to pursue a sustained military action without making Congress a partner; Congress would be ill-advised to let him. But when the House and Senate refuse to do their constitutional duty, they should scarcely act surprised if the president ignores them. The pathetic spectacle of our elected representatives begging the courts for help illustrates how far we have diverged from the Founders’ design.

Congressional leaders may be moving toward a vote on resolutions forcing members to go on the record as for or against the Libya war. This is all to the good. Let’s try: Criticizing from the sidelines while waiting to see which way things break might present certain political advantages. But it is constitutionally irresponsible.

(Stephen L. Carter is a Bloomberg View columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.)
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