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It is. But of course, success by lending legitimacy to that discrimination is not. Is it admirable to get on the life-boat by stamping on everyone elses fingers?

Maybe they genuinely believe that Tory policies are best for the nation as a whole.

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I'm not sure that "parroting everything the bigots say" counts as "having your own opinions". Indeed, it seems to me like the very opposite. I'm not sure why this needs explaining. You're no doubt aware of the fate of many Vichy collaborators, surely.

Well we're back to this again - anyone who disagrees is evil or deluded.

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Originally Posted by Zichao

Maybe they genuinely believe that Tory policies are best for the nation as a whole.

Then you'll have to show me evidence of someone being abused as a "race traitor" in contexts that are not specifically about that, becuase I have not seen it.

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Well we're back to this again - anyone who disagrees is evil or deluded.

Wait, I thought that was your argument? That all thise people sympathising with the plight of others were in fact either deluded or grossly self-serving?

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Then you'll have to show me evidence of someone being abused as a "race traitor" in contexts that are not specifically about that, becuase I have not seen it.

So if it's about that it's okay?

Black conservative tea party backers take heat

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Wait, I thought that was your argument? That all thise people sympathising with the plight of others were in fact either deluded or grossly self-serving?

No.

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Originally Posted by Zichao

So if it's about that it's okay?

It's unsurprising, and happens in every context.

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The ZOB now carried out a programme designed to rid the Jewish population of hostile elements and of those individuals who collaborated with the Germans. It carried out death sentences pronounced by its Command on almost all Jewish Gestapo agents. Those whom our justice did not reach were forced to steal away to the "Aryan side" and did not dare return to the ghetto. Once, when four Gestapo members appeared unexpectedly in the ghetto for half an hour, three were killed and the fourth was heavily wounded. The notorious Gestapo agent, Dr. Alfred Nossig, was also killed, and a Gestapo identification card issued as far back as 1933 was found on his person.

- Marek Edelman, The Ghetto Fights

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Black conservative tea party backers take heat

When you back an organisation that uses explicitly racist language, that has significant and substantial links to white supremacist, neo-nazi and militia movements, then yes, I think you can pretty much expect to take some heat.

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No.

So "new liberal orientalism" meant something other then "delusional", did it?

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It's unsurprising, and happens in every context. - Marek Edelman, The Ghetto Fights

... because the Tory party is committing genocide against black people..?

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When you back an organisation that uses explicitly racist language, that has significant and substantial links to white supremacist, neo-nazi and militia movements, then yes, I think you can pretty much expect to take some heat.

Every organisation has some racists in it.

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So "new liberal orientalism" meant something other then "delusional", did it?

Confirmation bias.

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Originally Posted by Zichao

... because the Tory party is committing genocide against black people..?

Courtesy of the Federation of Conservative Students.

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Every organisation has some racists in it.

Why would that be?

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Confirmation bias.

If you say so.

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Courtesy of the Federation of Conservative Students.

Now I come to think of it, that is exactly the same as the holocaust.

So what should a black person do if he wakes up one day and realises that he supports fiscal restraint and free market individualism? Just think "soddit" and join the Socialist Workers because they boycotted South African oranges?

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Why would that be?

People suck.

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Originally Posted by Zichao

Now I come to think of it, that is exactly the same as the holocaust.

That's not a valid argument. I didn't say that it was only valid in the context of the holocaust, and won't be held to such a standard. Black Republicans aren't actually being shot like Gestapo collaborators either. My point remains that you are railing against a commonplace phenomon that arises in a multitude of contexts.

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So what should a black person do if he wakes up one day and realises that he supports fiscal restraint and free market individualism? Just think "soddit" and join the Socialist Workers because they boycotted South African oranges?

Well for preference, they should realise that Malcolm X was quite correct when he said "You can't have capitalism without racism." And failing that, they should try to seek out an organisation that deals purely with economic issues and doesn't make a point of pandering to racists, although I suspect they'll have a tough time finding one. And perhaps when they finally realise how consistent the relationship between "free market individualism" and racism is they'll think again, I'd hope.

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People suck.

Sure, but that doesn't justify such a sweeping generalisation.

Originally Posted by contracycle

Well for preference, they should realise that Malcolm X was quite correct when he said "You can't have capitalism without racism."

Really? Can I have some explanation as to the 'logic' behind such an outrageous statement?

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Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais

Really? Can I have some explanation as to the 'logic' behind such an outrageous statement?

Nothing outrageous about it. Capitalism relies on sectionalism and divisions between workers to suppress wage costs. Slavery is the purest form of the commodification of labour, and racism provided the justification. Racism is one of capitalism's outputs.