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AT THIS TIME IN HISTORY THERE IS NO VALID, BIBLICAL EVIDENCE OR AUTHORITY WHICH INDICATES THAT WE CANNOT KNOW THE PRECISE DAY OF JUDGMENT. THE GREAT AMOUNT OF BIBLICAL SIGNS AND PROOFS ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE THAT JUDGMENT DAY WILL BEGIN ON MAY 21st THIS YEAR.

Who or What is Family Radio?
Family Stations, Inc. is a non-profit, non-commercial, Christian radio network. It was established in 1958 with one FM station in the San Francisco bay area. Mr. Camping along with two other Christian men purchased KEAR with the sole intent of proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Today there are sixty-six owned and operated radio stations throughout the United States.

Along with these domestic stations Family Stations also broadcasts its programming from numerous international broadcast facilities throughout the world in over sixty different languages including all of the major and many of the minor languages.

Who is Harold Camping?
Harold Camping is the President and General Manager of Family Stations, Inc. He graduated from UC Berkeley in 1942 with a degree in civil engineering. Mr. Camping has been a full-time volunteer since Family Radio's infancy and has never received compensation for his service.

What qualifies Mr. Camping to make the pronouncement of May 21, 2011?
Mr. Camping has been a tireless student of the Bible for over five decades. The tens of thousands of hours he has spent analyzing the Bible has given him a unique perspective of the entirety of Scripture. He has dedicated his life to prepare himself to answer questions raised concerning God's Word to mankind.

What is the Open Forum program?
What began approximately fifty years ago as simply an informational program for local bay area listeners blossomed into what is known today as the Open Forum, an anonymous call-in program designed to allow anyone to ask any question related to the Bible. A live Open Forum program airs every day of the week by radio, shortwave, and the Internet. It can be heard daily (including weekends) in the United States from 8:30pm-10pm eastern, 7:30pm-9pm central, and 5:30pm-7pm pacific time. Previous Open Forum broadcasts can be found at the Open Forum Archive site. In addition, selected Open Forum broadcasts can be found under the "Challenge" tab on the may21-2011.com site.

How can Family Radio be so bold as to declare a date for Christ's return?
Given the overwhelming Biblical evidence, the Family Stations, Inc. Board of Directors made a determination to dedicate all available resources to proclaim the warning of May 21, 2011. God has prepared Family Radio for this important time in history. Given the population of the world, radio and the Internet are the perfect vehicles to deliver this warning.

What proof is there for the date of May 21, 2011?
The date May 21, 2011 was derived solely from evidence found in the Bible. Mr. Camping saw God had placed, in Scripture, many important signs and proofs. These proofs alert believers that May 21st of 2011 is the date Christ will return for His people and begin a period of the final destruction of the world.

What signs precede the Day of Judgment?
Jesus warned of several spiritual signs, such as the complete degradation of the Christian church, the devastating moral breakdown of society, the re-establishment of National Israel in 1948, the emergence of the 'Gay Pride Movement', and the complete disregard of the Bible in all of society today as direct evidence of His return.

What is the Timeline of History?
The timeline of history is God's predetermined timetable for the unfolding of God's Gospel program for this world. In other words, it is the length of time between the day God created this world in 11,013 B.C. and the day he will destroy it in October 21, 2011.

The discovery of this information built the foundation for what God would later reveal from the Bible as the date for the end. Judgment Day on May 21, 2011 is the culmination of five decades of intensive Biblical study by Mr. Camping and other Bible teachers who have discovered the same Biblical data.

What do past Biblical events have to do with today?
The precision with which God marked time in the past shows how precisely He keeps time and orders all the events of mankind. God uses such phrases in the Bible as "in the fullness of time" or "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven." God declares in the Bible that "He hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation."

Just as all Biblical events took place exactly as God determined, so too will all future events take place as He has planned. God knew before He created this world the exact day He would destroy it, the question is whether God reveals His plan to others.

Does God reveal his plan?
Yes! All true believers throughout the world are part of Christ's family and therefore they not only belong to Jesus Christ, but they are one with Him as well. Jesus calls His people His "friends" and "His beloved". Jesus tells His "beloved" what He and His Father will do before God does it. Only the true believers are given spiritual eyesight to see and understand that they may be ready and prepared for the day of Christ's return. All those who are not "born again" do not possess the spiritual eyesight to see this evidence. Sadly, Christ will come upon them as a "thief in the night."

Jesus speaks to His people through the pages of His word, the Bible. His Spirit guides them "into all truth." "Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you."

God is the guardian of His secrets contained in the Bible and only He determines when or if His secrets are revealed. The Holy Spirit reveals to Christ's people the information needful for them not only to be ready, but also to warn the world, Christ is returning.

Armed with the vital information needed to know the day of Christ's return, all true believers, as servants of God, are commanded to declare what Christ's Spirit has revealed. They must "blow the trumpet" and warn the world, Judgment is coming.

Can all of mankind understand that Judgment Day is coming?
Just as wise men of old sought to see the young Jesus, so too will the wise of today seek Christ before the end: "A wise man's heart (one who is born again) discerneth both time and judgment." God promises His people they will be like Noah who was aware and ready for the day when the floodwaters of destruction came upon this earth.

What will take place on May 21?
On May 21, 2011 two events will occur. These events could not be more opposite in nature, the one more wonderful than can be imagined; the other more horrific than can be imagined.

A great earthquake will occur which the Bible describes as "such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great." This earthquake will be so powerful it will throw open all of the graves. The remains of the all the saved believers who have ever lived will be instantly transformed into glorified spiritual bodies to be forever with God.

On the other hand, the bodies of all unsaved people will be thrown out upon the ground to be shamed. The inhabitants who survive this terrible earthquake will exist in a world of horror and chaos beyond description. Each day people will die until October 21, 2011 when God will completely destroy this earth and its surviving inhabitants.

What is Family Radio specifically doing to warn the world?
Family Stations, Inc. broadcasts internationally in more than sixty-one different languages. Its programming can also be seen and heard worldwide on the Internet. Numerous billboards have been placed throughout the world warning of Judgment Day. Teams of volunteers are passing out literature concerning May 21 in the U.S. and many foreign countries. In addition, teams of RV caravans have been sent throughout the U.S. to deliver this great message.

Why RV caravans?
In September of 2010 Family Radio developed a plan to send out teams of caravans consisting of recreational vehicles. The caravans travel into towns and cities across the United States warning that Judgment Day will be on May 21, 2011. Each member of the caravan project is a volunteer who has dedicated his or her life to warn the people of the U.S. and is boldly proclaiming this very important message.

Is Family Radio the only group declaring this message?
No! There are many other groups and individuals sending out the warning of May 21, 2011. A growing groundswell of individuals and groups have become convicted of this message on each continent and are working hard to warn their neighbors, cities and countries.

Why billboards?
Billboards have proven to be very effective. They are being placed in many U.S., Canadian and foreign cities, not only by Family Radio, but other organizations and individuals as well. Presently there are estimated to be over 5,000 billboards and posters throughout the world. The billboard messages are simple, and designed to clearly communicate the same message, Judgment Day May 21, 2011.

What are the listeners of Family Radio doing to prepare for that day?
Jesus gave explicit commands to His people as to how they are to behave until he returns. Jesus said "Go ye and teach all nations..." He also said to "occupy until I come." Believers who believe Christ will return on May 21 are commanded to warn the world and encourage concerned people to pray for God's mercy.

Will there be some sort of "gathering" before May 21, 2011?
No. This message is proclaimed to individuals, not to specific groups, religions or nations. Family Radio is not a church or religion.

Each person must be "born again" in order to be ready for Christ's return and ready to be "caught up" wherever they live in this world. Jesus said in Matthew 24:40-41 "Then shall two be in the field: the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

What if May 21 ends and nothing occurs?
The Biblical evidence is too overwhelming and specific to be wrong. Christ's people can look with great confidence to this date because God promises His "beloved" He will not come upon them as a thief in the night. God in His mercy has revealed the vital information needed to know the day. Judgment Day on May 21, 2011 will occur because the Bible declares it. Anyone whom God has not saved will arrive at that day with no hope for salvation. God warns simply that the "door will be shut."

What should a person do when he or she hears this message?
Cry out to God for mercy and fully recognize you are a sinner. One must approach God with a broken and contrite attitude, because after all every human being, without exception, is guilty before God. Only God decides whom He will save and it is only Christ's gift of salvation that can save one from destruction and the terrible events coming upon this world on May 21, 2011.

What do we say to all those who say Jesus will come as a thief in the night?
The Bible speaks of two kinds of people in the world. Those within God's kingdom he calls his "beloved". The other, much larger portion of the human race, God describes as those "without" or outside the kingdom of God. Those "without" will say at the end of time "Peace and safety." These people will mistakenly believe all is well. But God warns that "then sudden destruction cometh upon them..."

The fact that so many church leaders are insisting Christ will come as a "thief in the night" (that is, no one can know the day or the hour) is another very important Biblical sign that Christ's return is very close. Far too many people mistakenly presume they are at "peace" with God and therefore in "safety". Sadly, many assume no human being can know because they mistakenly believe even Jesus Himself does not know the day or hour of His own return. The belief Christ will come "as a thief in the night" for everyone, including Christ's people, is the foundational basis for which most Christians, including church leaders and pastors, reject May 21, 2011.

However, God has written in His Word He will tell His people exactly what He plans before He brings it to pass: "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." God's "beloved" people are not in darkness that that day would come upon them as a thief in the night. God graciously has written in I Thessalonians 5 verse 4 "But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief."

What about all those in the past who predicted Jesus would come in their day?
Many religious groups and individuals throughout history have predicted Jesus' return, but they were always wrong. No theologian, no matter how learned or intelligent, could know the day because God had not revealed it. The scriptural evidence needed to know the exact day could not be known before 1988, the year the 'Church Age' ended. The Bible indicates prior to this year the date of Christ's return could not be known. Many Church leaders of the past looked at political as well as natural events to prove their predictions and they were repeatedly wrong.

God is the guardian of His secrets. The words needed to know the time of the end "are closed up and sealed till the time of the end." Only Christ Jesus, the Lamb, is able to unseal the Bible and reveal what is needed to know the day and the hour of His return.

Didn't Harold Camping say that the world would end in 1994?
In 1992 Mr. Camping wrote a book entitled "1994?" In that book Mr. Camping highlighted the abundant evidence pointing to 1994 as a probable year of Christ's return. Given the abundance of information pointing to 1994 and the urgency of time, the book 1994? was written. Mr. Camping felt as a teacher, he must share the Biblical information he had found and warn the world.

Important subsequent Biblical information was not yet known, so this book was incomplete. Mr. Camping warned there may be something he overlooked, therefore the question mark was prominently placed on the title. Mr. Camping wrote on pages 494 and 495 of the book 1994? that he believed 2011 was the most probable year of Christ's second coming given the fact that 2011 is the 7,000 year anniversary of the flood, but he misunderstood Jesus' teaching in Matthew 24 verse 22 "except those days should be shortened."

At the time Mr. Camping concluded the period of "great tribulation" would be shortened from twenty-three years, as the Bible teaches, to "2,300 evening mornings" as declared in Daniel 8:13-14. Mr. Camping wrote in 1994? - "God appears to be declaring that this final tribulation period should be a certain length of time. If it were that length of time, it seems it would fit perfectly with God's plan of 7,000 years and Judgment Day would be 2011 A.D. But for the sake of the elect those day will be shortened."

Why is there no question now?
In the nineteen years since 1994? was written the Biblical evidence for 2011 has greatly solidified. Today there is no longer any question, May 21, 2011 is the day in which Jesus Christ will return.

What do you say to those who insist we cannot know the precise date of Judgment Day?
For one to object to May 21st, 2011 one must have BIBLICAL AUTHORITY to do so. Objections cannot be based upon consensus, traditions or fear. God has given far too many Biblical proofs for anyone to disregard May 21 simply because he or she does not like it.

The Bible has led us to May 21, 2011. This date is not the product of the mind of one man or a group of people. It is the culmination of study of the entire Bible, both the Old and New Testaments. Every word written in the original Biblical manuscripts was dictated by God; therefore all words, numbers and sentences in these original writings are to be trusted as coming from God.

The fact that this date is the result of the synthesis of all of Scripture causes May 21st, 2011 to take on very sobering factuality. It is no longer opinion, but a matter of fact. May 21, 2011 is God's date. All other predictions are man's attempt to predict the end. So it becomes a matter of eternal life, or eternal death. One can no longer presume May 21st of this year will be just another normal day.

Each person must come to entrust their lives to what God has written in His Word the Bible and plead to Him for mercy. Otherwise God will come upon them with unmerciful vengeance on May 21, 2011.
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Of course if he's right...

I have a lot of debauchery to get through in a week

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Of course if he's right...

I have a lot of debauchery to get through in a week
I believe in you, my child.

I suppose that if this turns out true it would make Obama the Antichrist. I dunno why but this seems a tad anticlimactic to me. I guess I just expected that the Antichrist would have been capable of getting his healthcare reforms passed without such extreme concessions to big pharma.
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Date Setting

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Any individual or religious group that has dogmatically predicted the day of the rapture, referred to as "date setting", has been thoroughly embarrassed and discredited, as the predicted date of fulfillment came and went without event.[54][55] Some of these individuals and groups have offered excuses and "corrected" target dates, while others have simply released a reinterpretation of the meaning of the scripture to fit their current predicament, and then explained that although the prediction appeared to have not come true, in reality it had been completely accurate and fulfilled, albeit in a different way than many had expected.

Conversely, many of those who believe that the precise date of the rapture cannot be known, do affirm that the specific time frame that immediately precedes the rapture event can be known. This time frame is often referred to as "the season". The primary section of scripture cited for this position is Matthew 24:32-35; where Jesus is quoted teaching the parable of the fig tree, which is proposed as the key that unlocks the understanding of the general timing of the rapture, as well as the surrounding prophecies listed in the sections of scripture that precede and follow this parable.

Some notable rapture predictions include the following:
* 1844 - William Miller predicted Christ would return between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844, then revised his prediction, claiming to have miscalculated Scripture, to October 22, 1844. The realization that the predictions were incorrect resulted in a Great Disappointment. Miller's theology gave rise to the Advent movement. The Baha'is believe that Christ did return as Miller predicted in 1844, with the advent of The Báb, and numerous Miller-like prophetic predictions from many religions are given in William Sears book, Thief in The Night.[56]
* 1914[57], 1918[58], 1925[59], 1942[60] and 1975[61] - Dates set for the end by the Jehovah's Witnesses
* 1981 - Chuck Smith predicted that Jesus would probably return by 1981.[62]
* 1988 - Publication of 88 Reasons why the Rapture is in 1988, by Edgar C. Whisenant.
* 1989 - Publication of The final shout: Rapture report 1989, by Edgar Whisenant. More predictions by this author appeared for 1992, 1995, and other years.
* 1992 - Korean group "Mission for the Coming Days" predicted October 28, 1992 as the date for the rapture.[63]
* 1993 - Seven years before the year 2000. The rapture would have to start to allow for seven years of the Tribulation before the Return in 2000. Multiple predictions.
* 1994 - Pastor John Hinkle of Christ Church in Los Angeles predicted June 9, 1994. Radio evangelist Harold Camping predicted September 6th, 1994.[64]
* 2011 - Harold Camping's revised prediction has May 21, 2011 as the date of the rapture.[65][66]
* 2060 - Sir Isaac Newton proposed, based upon his calculations using figures from the book of Daniel, that the Apocalypse could happen no earlier than 2060.[67][68]
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I wonder if this guy can sue when he wakes up on Sunday morning the 22nd :

NYC Man Spends Retirement Savings on May 21, 2011 Rapture Ads

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NYC Man Spends Retirement Savings on May 21, 2011 Rapture Ads

A 60-year-old New York City man is so sure the world will end on May 21, he has spent his retirement savings to warn people about it.

According to a report from the New York Daily News, Robert Fitzpatrick spent $140,000 for an ad campaign for signs on subway cars and bus shelters around the city reading "Global Earthquake! The Greatest Ever - Judgment Day: May 21."


"I'm trying to warn people about what's coming," Fitzpatrick. "People who have an understanding [of end times] have an obligation to warn everyone."

Fitzpatrick told the newspaper how it will go down:

"It'll start just before midnight, Jerusalem time: It'll be instantaneous and global," he said. "There are too many scriptures talking about 'sudden destruction.'"

Fitzpatrick is obviously a big believer of evangelist Harold Camping, who claims to have calculated the date of Armageddon using clues from the Bible.

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority said it didn't think twice about accepting Fitzpatrick's campaign.

"It's an individual's prerogative to spend their money as they see fit," said MTA spokesman Kevin Ortiz.

However an atheist group said the MTA should not have allowed the ad blitz.

"Doomsday cults are money-making enterprises," said David Silverman, of the American Atheists. "I wonder what is going to happen on May 22 when people no longer have their possessions or their savings and we are all still here and they don't have their rapture."

But Fitzgerald is not worried about that. "It is the date," he stubbornly said.

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Interesting ethical dilemma indeed.

That's a grown up adult. He is deliberately and consciously hurting himself. Should we, the people, intervene?

You might say 'no' for a whole long list of good reasons. But, come May 22nd, society will have to take care of him, feed him, house him, give him health care etc etc that will no longer be able to afford (to the same extent, at the very least).

That's a clear societal cost.

Of course, you could always say "it's own damn fault" and put a bullet in his brain to stop him becoming societal dead-weight but I don't think the people are ready for that kind of extreme logical decision-making.
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That's a grown up adult. He is deliberately and consciously hurting himself. Should we, the people, intervene?
Intervening in "stupidity" is always a sucker's game frankly.

What is really starting to bug me about this, otherwise entertaining, display of people being stupid is that there are families and KIDS involved here.

Imagine being the child of one of these wackos? You are being told by the people you love and trust that your world will end on Saturday at 6:00pm local time, with either being translated to Heaven bodily or being left behind in misery. What a fucked up horrible thing to do to kids.

Sunday morning I hope the local social services descend on these assholes and take their kids away to help alleviate the result of this abuse.

I am not in favor of the State, or anybody, telling me what I can and cannot teach my children about Religion or the world. Reality is after all a hard teacher after the fact. But in this case these people are damaging their children every bit as much as if they were beating, raping or molesting them, IMHO. It is the act of setting a specific date and time that is the weapon being used in this crime.

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I remember reading about one kid who was brought up in a born-again Christian family and got home from school one day to find no one in at home - he thought the Rapture had come and he'd been left behind...
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