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Here is an interesting page:



Of course, we don't know, who is behind this Facebook page. it could be a lone individual sitting safely somewhere in Europe or the U.S.

Yet, even if this should be the case (quite likely, by the way!), there will surely be people in Saudi Arabia viewing this page, and they may be starting to think ...
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Hmmm...

Think oil prices are high now?

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Can't see it happening myself, really - I think if they were going to do it they'd have done it by now. Seems like they're more concerned with organising the transition from the current moribund generation of the royal family to the next merely decrepit one.
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Little Unrest, But Angst Grows In Saudi Arabia

by Kevin Beesley

Little Unrest, But Angst Grows In Saudi Arabia : NPR

Saudi King Abdullah awaits the arrival of Kuwait's Emir Sheik Sabah al-Ahmad al-Sabah for an emergency summit of the Gulf Cooperation Council in Riyadh on Jan. 15, 2009.
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February 24, 2011

Before returning home to Saudi Arabia after medical treatments Wednesday, King Abdullah ordered a massive increase in the kingdom's development and state welfare payments — a move that some observers say was an attempt to stave off the popular unrest that is now sweeping the Arab world.

Even the merest hint of potential unrest in Saudi Arabia, which sits on a fifth of the world's oil reserves and is the third biggest source of oil for the United States, is enough to spark fear in the oil markets and cause nightmares in Washington.

Although there is little sign of any unrest in Saudi Arabia so far, there are growing political and economic frustrations.

After being caught by surprise by the popular revolts in the Middle East, few analysts will rule out the possibility of unrest in Saudi Arabia, but they do say it is unlikely.

NPR correspondent Deborah Amos is in Saudi Arabia and says the reason is simple: "The king is extremely popular, among young people and with reformers, too, unlike [former President Hosni] Mubarak in Egypt, and [former President Zine El Abidine] Ben Ali in Tunisia, who were deeply, deeply hated. They see [the king] as a reformer, and the changes he's introduced in the last two years have been startling."

The reasons behind the unrest that led to successful revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt and protests in Libya, Bahrain and elsewhere, vary from country to country. But there are three fundamental factors that nearly all have in common: economic deprivation, youth unemployment and political frustration.

No one questions the legitimacy of the regime, and the king is personally popular.

- Thomas Lippman, Council on Foreign Relations

Saudi Arabia has all those problems, and more. With its massive oil wealth, the kingdom is one of the world's richest countries, but the money is not distributed evenly. There are many wealthy Saudis and an estimated 6,000 royal princes, but the average national income is around $20,000 a year and many Saudis live on the poverty line.

"Inflation has hit Saudis hard," Amos says. "There have been sharp increases in food prices, and you need two salaries to get by."

Most estimates put unemployment in Saudi Arabia at around 10 percent. But like nearly all Arab countries, Saudi Arabia is experiencing a massive "youth bump" in its population — about two-thirds of the population is younger than 29 — and the unemployment rate for young people is thought to be around 40 percent.

Like the other oil-rich Gulf states, Saudi Arabia has invested billions in education, including sending students to universities in the United States, England and Australia. Now all of these graduates, especially an entire generation of well-educated young women, are looking for ways to use their education — and there are limited opportunities for them.

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is run as a traditional monarchy, where political parties are banned and dissent is strictly punished. Although there are consultative councils set up to advise the royal family, they are appointed, not elected, and there are few ways for the poor, the young and minorities to get their voices heard. The king also carries the title "The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques" — the holiest sites in Islam at Mecca and Medina — a position that makes it difficult for any devout Muslim to criticize him. On top of that, the ruling family also has a centuries-old relationship with a very conservative branch of Sunni Islam, which results in harsh enforcement of rules on public morality.

Robert Powell, Middle East analyst with the Economist Intelligence Unit, says young people in Saudi Arabia "are increasingly intertwined thanks to social media like Facebook and Twitter. They are more globally connected and culturally sophisticated — and they are increasingly frustrated with Saudi society, especially the law which restrict the mixing of men and women."

Add to these factors a massive generation gap — King Abdullah is 87, and his half brother and official successor, Crown Prince Sultan, is 82 — and Saudi Arabia would seem ripe for popular unrest. But Powell says there are a number of reasons why that might not happen.

"The first is that Saudi Arabia is unique, a very conservative society that resists change," he says.

Another, he says, is "the country's vast oil wealth. ... They can always 'splash the cash,' and we saw that with [King Abdullah's] move in spending $10 billion to address issues like the shortage of 200,000 new homes to help young Saudis still living with their parents."

Thomas Lippman, an analyst at the Council on Foreign Relations who has written extensively on Saudi Arabia, says he strongly doubts that there will be unrest in the kingdom "because no one questions the legitimacy of the regime, and the king is personally popular." Yes, Saudi Arabia has problems, Lippman says, "but the place is not stagnant as Egypt was. Everyone knows there is going to be change in the next few years" as the older members of the royal family die off.

There have been a few, very limited signs of unrest in Saudi Arabia — isolated reports of Saudis demonstrating for better pay, some criticism of the royal family on the Internet, heated political discussions among the country's large Shiite minority. These incidents, and the general sense of uncertainty hanging over the entire Middle East, are already driving the price of oil upward.

That nervousness is unfounded, says Powell, even if there's unrest in Saudi Arabia itself.

"I would not expect oil production to be affected," he says. "Saudi Aramco is a pretty effective company; the majority of the employees are Saudis, and the oil fields are very well guarded." Nonetheless, Powell says: "The markets are very twitchy, and the oil price could skyrocket. Saudi Arabia is not only a major supplier, it has covered loss of supply elsewhere by increasing production, and the markets are based more on sentiment than supply and demand."

Powell says as soon as the political situation stabilizes, the oil price will come down.

But even though the stability of Saudi Arabia is so vital to the United States, there seems to be little the U.S. can do to influence events there. Lippman says the U.S. "should keep our eyes open and our mouths shut. This is not about us." Powell says Washington "can only play the same delicate diplomatic game they've been playing elsewhere," trying to balance a desire for stability "with America's instinctive belief in freedom and democracy."

NPR's Amos says the unrest in the Middle East presents Washington with "one of the toughest foreign policy problems faced by any administration."

The U.S. will be criticized, she says, "either for doing too much or for doing too little." But whatever happens, she says, Saudi reformers have told her it doesn't need a "Made in America" stamp. Whatever we get, they have told her, we need to get this on our own.
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Saudi Arabia imposes ban on all protests

BBC News - Saudi Arabia imposes ban on all protests

All protests and marches are to be banned in Saudi Arabia, the interior ministry has announced on state TV.

Its statement said security forces would use all measures to prevent any attempt to disrupt public order.

The announcement follows a series of protests by the kingdom's Shia minority in the oil-producing eastern province.

Last month, King Abdullah unveiled a series of benefits in an apparent bid to protect the kingdom from the revolts spreading throughout many Arab states.

"Regulations in the kingdom forbid categorically all sorts of demonstrations, marches and sit-ins, as they contradict Islamic Sharia law and the values and traditions of Saudi society," the Saudi interior ministry statement said.

It added that police were "authorised by law to take all measures needed against those who try to break the law".

The protests in the Eastern Province - where much of the country's crude oil is sourced - have been demanding the release of prisoners who demonstrators say have been held without trial.

The announcement of the crackdown on protests follows the return, last week, of King Abdullah to the capital after an absence of several months due to illness.

He unveiled an additional $37bn (£22.7bn) in benefits for citizens, including a 15% pay rise for state employees, as well as extra funds for housing, studying abroad and social security.
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Saudis mobilise thousands of troops to quell growing revolt

By Robert Fisk
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Saturday, 5 March 2011


Saudi Arabia was yesterday drafting up to 10,000 security personnel into its north-eastern Shia Muslim provinces, clogging the highways into Dammam and other cities with busloads of troops in fear of next week's "day of rage" by what is now called the "Hunayn Revolution".

Saudi Arabia's worst nightmare – the arrival of the new Arab awakening of rebellion and insurrection in the kingdom – is now casting its long shadow over the House of Saud. Provoked by the Shia majority uprising in the neighbouring Sunni-dominated island of Bahrain, where protesters are calling for the overthrow of the ruling al-Khalifa family, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is widely reported to have told the Bahraini authorities that if they do not crush their Shia revolt, his own forces will.

The opposition is expecting at least 20,000 Saudis to gather in Riyadh and in the Shia Muslim provinces of the north-east of the country in six days, to demand an end to corruption and, if necessary, the overthrow of the House of Saud. Saudi security forces have deployed troops and armed police across the Qatif area – where most of Saudi Arabia's Shia Muslims live – and yesterday would-be protesters circulated photographs of armoured vehicles and buses of the state-security police on a highway near the port city of Dammam.

Although desperate to avoid any outside news of the extent of the protests spreading, Saudi security officials have known for more than a month that the revolt of Shia Muslims in the tiny island of Bahrain was expected to spread to Saudi Arabia. Within the Saudi kingdom, thousands of emails and Facebook messages have encouraged Saudi Sunni Muslims to join the planned demonstrations across the "conservative" and highly corrupt kingdom. They suggest – and this idea is clearly co-ordinated – that during confrontations with armed police or the army next Friday, Saudi women should be placed among the front ranks of the protesters to dissuade the Saudi security forces from opening fire.

If the Saudi royal family decides to use maximum violence against demonstrators, US President Barack Obama will be confronted by one of the most sensitive Middle East decisions of his administration. In Egypt, he only supported the demonstrators after the police used unrestrained firepower against protesters. But in Saudi Arabia – supposedly a "key ally" of the US and one of the world's principal oil producers – he will be loath to protect the innocent.

So far, the Saudi authorities have tried to dissuade their own people from supporting the 11 March demonstrations on the grounds that many protesters are "Iraqis and Iranians". It's the same old story used by Ben Ali of Tunisia and Mubarak of Egypt and Bouteflika of Algeria and Saleh of Yemen and the al-Khalifas of Bahrain: "foreign hands" are behind every democratic insurrection in the Middle East.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Mr Obama will be gritting their teeth next Friday in the hope that either the protesters appear in small numbers or that the Saudis "restrain" their cops and security; history suggests this is unlikely. When Saudi academics have in the past merely called for reforms, they have been harassed or arrested. King Abdullah, albeit a very old man, does not brook rebel lords or restive serfs telling him to make concessions to youth. His £27bn bribe of improved education and housing subsidies is unlikely to meet their demands.

An indication of the seriousness of the revolt against the Saudi royal family comes in its chosen title: Hunayn. This is a valley near Mecca, the scene of one of the last major battles of the Prophet Mohamed against a confederation of Bedouins in AD630. The Prophet won a tight victory after his men were fearful of their opponents. The reference in the Koran, 9: 25-26, as translated by Tarif el-Khalidi, contains a lesson for the Saudi princes: "God gave you victory on many battlefields. Recall the day of Hunayn when you fancied your great numbers.

"So the earth, with all its wide expanse, narrowed before you and you turned tail and fled. Then God made his serenity to descend upon his Messenger and the believers, and sent down troops you did not see – and punished the unbelievers." The unbelievers, of course, are supposed – in the eyes of the Hunayn Revolution – to be the King and his thousand princes.

Like almost every other Arab potentate over the past three months, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia suddenly produced economic bribes and promised reforms when his enemy was at the gates. Can the Arabs be bribed? Their leaders can, perhaps, especially when, in the case of Egypt, Washington was offering it the largest handout of dollars – $1.5bn (£800m) – after Israel. But when the money rarely trickles down to impoverished and increasingly educated youth, past promises are recalled and mocked. With oil prices touching $120 a barrel and the Libyan debacle lowering its production by up to 75 per cent, the serious economic – and moral, should this interest the Western powers – question, is how long the "civilised world" can go on supporting the nation whose citizens made up almost all of the suicide killers of 9/11?

The Arabian peninsula gave the world the Prophet and the Arab Revolt against the Ottomans and the Taliban and 9/11 and – let us speak the truth – al-Qa'ida. This week's protests in the kingdom will therefore affect us all – but none more so than the supposedly conservative and definitely hypocritical pseudo-state, run by a company without shareholders called the House of Saud.
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The Arabian peninsula gave the world the Prophet and the Arab Revolt against the Ottomans and the Taliban and 9/11 and – let us speak the truth – al-Qa'ida. This week's protests in the kingdom will therefore affect us all – but none more so than the supposedly conservative and definitely hypocritical pseudo-state, run by a company without shareholders called the House of Saud.
Stark black and white that.

Also very true.

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Will Saudi be the next to rise up?
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Will Saudi be the next to rise up?, notebookIt is strange to read in the news that the Saudi monarchy has “banned” demonstrations; as if such demonstrations were allowed in the first place. Nevertheless, small protests in the east of Saudi Arabia do signal a change. With March 11th being ear-marked as a ‘day of rage’, thousands of security forces are being sent to the region to suppress any potential uprising.

The focus has shifted away from Egypt since the fall of ex-President Hosni Mubarak, but, from yesterday’s events, it is clear that his toppling was only the beginning of an Egyptian revolution. On Saturday, Egyptian activists stormed state security buildings in Cairo and Alexandria, including the secret police’s main headquarters in northern Cairo’s Nasr City neighbourhood, in a bid to recover documents detailing torture, interrogation and human rights abuses of all manners under thirty years of the Mubarak regime.

The people in Egypt have lost their fear. The army tried to get them to leave the buildings, but did not use force; they know that a change has happened in their country, and they cannot suppress the people’s will any longer.

But the protests also show how much work is still to be done. The overthrowing of Mubarak was a huge victory, not only for Egyptians, but for people across the Arab world; but what comes next?

We should take inspiration from the determination and directness of the Egyptian demonstrators. They protested for hours outside the headquarters for hours, before taking matters into their own hands and storming the building. They found huge bags full of shredded documents; evidence of an attempted cover-up by the remnants of the regime.

Mubarak’s fall must set a precedent, not count as an exception. All sections of the regime guilty of committing crimes must be brought to justice. And the Egyptian activists must send a message to regimes across the region; you will not get away with oppressing us, the people, forever.

It will be extremely interesting to see how events develop in Saudi Arabia later in the week. It will also be interesting to see if the US and Britain take the Mubarak-Gaddafi-Ben Ali line in the case of Saudi; disposing of friendly dictators once they pass their sell-by date, or if they make a little more effort in supporting their number one ally.

It is difficult to be optimistic, especially when the Saudi monarchy can fall back on handing out $37 billion in “benefits” to citizens in an attempt to appease unrest, but then again, I would not have imagined seeing a day when the headquarters of the secret police in Cairo were taken over by ordinary people. Stranger things have happened.
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Saudi Arabia's senior clerics denounce protests as un-Islamic
2011-03-07 15:30:00

Saudi Arabia's senior clerics denounce protests as un-Islamic

Riyadh, March 7 (DPA) Saudi Arabia's top clerics have condemned calls for protests as un-Islamic, the Al Hayat newspaper reported Monday, ahead of a demonstration planned in the kingdom later this week.

The Council of Senior Scholars said that 'reform and advice do not take place by protests or methods that lead to sedition'.

A protest is being planned in Saudi Arabia Friday to call for political reforms, the release of political prisoners, more employment opportunities and greater freedoms.

The interior ministry over the weekend issued a ban on all demonstrations, saying that they go against Islamic law and the traditions of the oil-rich kingdom.

It warned that security forces would take all necessary actions against those who violate the ban.

The Council of Senior Scholars was formed by a royal decree in 1971 to issue religious rulings.
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Markets reacted badly, DJIA dropped like a rock, to rumors that Saudi security forces fired on protesters a few hours ago.

Looks like tomorrow will be a very interesting day.

Might want to make sure the vehicle tanks are topped up for the weekend

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