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Old 14-02-11, 02:57 AM
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Anonymous Claims Possession Of Insidious Stuxnet Virus
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Anonymous Claims Possession Of Insidious Stuxnet Virus - Chris Barth - Invested Interest - Forbes

Houston, we have a problem. Or should I say, “Iran, we have your problem?” Last night, a member of hacker group Anonymous – a devious 4chan-spawned Internet coalition known for increasingly serious web-based attacks – announced on Twitter that the group was in possession of the Stuxnet virus.

Stuxnet is one of the more powerful viruses to ever spread across the internet. As Bruce Schneier detailed for Forbes, the worm crippled Iran’s nuclear facility by infiltrating a Siemen’s control system for industrial centrifuges. As I wrote late last year, the Stuxnet virus is a stark example of how cyber attacks can affect brick and mortar institutions.

“Anonymous is now in possession of Stuxnet – problem, officer?” tweeted user by the name of Topiary. Topiary’s profile describes the user as an online activist and a “Supporter of Anonymous Operations, WikiLeaks, and maintaining freedom on the Internet.”

To me, two huge questions arise from Anonymous’ claim:

1. Are they actually in possession of Stuxnet?
2. Can they do anything with it?

The answer to both questions, of course, is maybe. But let’s dive a little deeper.

Recently, Anonymous has been in the news for its high profile attacks on software security firm HBGary, after Aaron Barr, the CEO of HBGary’s sister firm HBGary Federal, claimed to have acquired the names of senior Anonymous members and threatened to release them to the public. Forbes’ Parmy Olson has done a fantastic job covering that affair.

This is where the possibility for Anonymous getting its hands on Stuxnet increases. In a post this morning, Olson quotes a source from Anonymous who briefly rattles off the contents of a slew of emails uncovered during the HBGary takedown. “Three different malware archives, two bots, an offer to sell a botnet, a genuine stuxnet copy, and various malware lists,” are supposedly among the contents.

Could this be pure posturing? Sure. But it doesn’t seem out of the question that a security firm would have high level information on one of the most threatening viruses out there.

So let’s pretend that Anonymous does, in fact, have a copy of the Stuxnet worm in their possession. Can they do anything with it? We’ve already seen Stuxnet’s efficacy in attacking Siemens Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition (SCADA) systems attached to very specific industrial machinery. The complexity of the worm allowed it to infiltrate deep into Iran’s nuclear facilities before unleashing its payload. A report by Symantec today updated their September dossier on the virus and revealed that the attacks started in June of 2009 and ended in May 2010, around a month before the attacks were even noticed.

The worm’s complexity, however, could also render it mostly useless in Anonymous’ hands. I’ll let Schneier get into the weeds on some of the details, since he does a great job of explaining:

Here’s what we do know: Stuxnet is an Internet worm that infects Windows computers. It primarily spreads via USB sticks, which allows it to get into computers and networks not normally connected to the Internet. Once inside a network, it uses a variety of mechanisms to propagate to other machines within that network and gain privilege once it has infected those machines. These mechanisms include both known and patched vulnerabilities, and four “zero-day exploits”: vulnerabilities that were unknown and unpatched when the worm was released. (All the infection vulnerabilities have since been patched.)

Stuxnet doesn’t actually do anything on those infected Windows computers, because they’re not the real target. What Stuxnet looks for is a particular model of Programmable Logic Controller (PLC) made by Siemens (the press often refers to these as SCADA systems, which is technically incorrect). These are small embedded industrial control systems that run all sorts of automated processes: on factory floors, in chemical plants, in oil refineries, at pipelines–and, yes, in nuclear power plants. These PLCs are often controlled by computers, and Stuxnet looks for Siemens SIMATIC WinCC/Step 7 controller software.

If it doesn’t find one, it does nothing.

So, unless the Anonymous hackers want to control industrial centrifuges, we should be alright? Not so fast. Theoretically, it would be possible to dismantle the virus and implant a separate payload, effectively piggy-backing another virus on the Windows-based attack code. This is no walk in the park coding exercise, to be sure, but Anonymous has proven their impressive abilities in the past. If such a deconstruction and reconstruction were to be pulled off, it could have wide-reaching consequences. In August 2010, the Stuxnet virus was reportedly infecting over 60,000 computers in Iran, not causing any harm but eager to spread until it found a place to release its payload.

For now, we’re largely dealing in hypotheticals. Since Stuxnet has been discovered, efforts are being put against it at high levels to prevent such attacks in the future. But if Anonymous does, in fact, have possession of the worm, it could have massive repercussions for both online and offline security. As Mort Zuckerman said late last year, though, “Malicious programmers are always able to find weaknesses and challenge security measures. The defender is always lagging behind the attacker.”
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Two things strike me as odd about this article.

1) Why would Anonymous say they have the Stuxnet worm in this way if they were using it as a threat?

2) If they got it from hacking into HBGary why is that such a big deal for them to announce it?

The attempt of this author to spread FUD about Anonymous having Stuxnet is meant to distract us from a more obvious conclusion...

STUXNET CAME FROM HBGARY!

Anonymous got the "a genuine stuxnet copy" including the source code etal! That is a very big deal indeed.

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Interesting post from the comment trail on /.

There is no anonymous
Anonymous Claims Possession of Stuxnet Worm - Slashdot

If you are talking about the Anonymous from 4chan, then there isn't any group like that. That implies too much organisation, a hierachy, an organization.

The idea originally was related but NOT the same to "I am Spartacus". And many people don't even understand that statement.

The "I am Spartacus" statement is this: "I hereby declare that I am the person you are seeking and accept all responsibility for my actions." If you state this, you BECOME Spartacus, you are it and LOOSE yourself with it. You can't say, "I smallfurrycreature represent Spartacus", you surrender yourself to the cause and become it. In the movie, the people all nailed up, are ALL Spartacus and by doing so the idea of Spartacus if not the person becomes invincible. No matter how many Spartacusses you nail to a cross, there is always one more just around the corner. It is the undying hero, the person dies but the idea goes on.

This doesn't sit well with our individual culture.

Anonymous takes this even further, if people understood it. You cannot state "I am Anonymous" for this is silly. The moment you tie yourself to this concept, you are no longer anonymous. You can speak with a thousand voices, you can at best be one voice representing a thousand but never a thousand. You cannot be anonymous only be a non-significant part of it.

The real idea behind it all on 4chan was to give a name to the movements/actions that were observed. It is like watching the migration patterns of animals and calling them Bob. Just because it now sounds like a person doesn't mean that a wildebeast migrating represents Bob or is controlled by the motives of Bob.

Does any of this rant matter

Yes. The Muslim brotherhood, are they the protesters in Egypt? Some western "news" stations would have you believe this. BUT this has NOT been an Islamic revolution. It might or might not become one but the protests where NOT guiden or orchastrated by them... some PROTESTERS might have been but not the "protest". It can be hard to grasp the difference. It is the difference between the resentment of the masses and individual grievances. Same as the protests in Tunesia were not about a closed vegetable stand or in Egypt about the beating of a youth or in France about cake or in the USA about tea.

Anonymous is not a group that exists on 4chan in /b/. If anything it is the behavior of individual but unknown people who use the web to do something in a minimally organised way to have a far reaching effect. It is the mob effect on the internet.

That means that there is no point in ousting its leaders. You can get the leaders of one mob and might even be cheered for that by the mob next to it. Anonymous cheers cat killers and hunts them down. It is not a singleton, it is a class. You can spawn things from it but almost by its nature, the moment you do that is ceases to be the idea and it becomes Anonymous XYZ the group.

Anonymous doesn't have its hands on anything and has its hands on everything because we can all be Anonymous and we all aren't.

But media doesn't grasp that since they need to put a face to the name. But ultimately this means that Anonymous will just get more legenday. Strike one group down and another will take its place. Just as killing a few hundreds protestors, and arresting/torturing far more, did NOTHING to stop the protest in Egypt. Or killing all the buffalo stopped Bob.
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Two things strike me as odd about this article. STUXNET CAME FROM HBGARY!
Not necessarily. As the OP states, they are a security firm - They might have been tasked with finding out all there is about this virus and managed to replicate/obtain a version of the virus.

For guys in Anonymous doing a quick crash-nd-grab, it looked the same as the real thing...
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You surrender yourself to the cause and become it. In the movie, the people all nailed up, are ALL Spartacus and by doing so the idea of Spartacus if not the person becomes invincible. No matter how many Spartacusses you nail to a cross, there is always one more just around the corner. It is the undying hero, the person dies but the idea goes on.
Yeah. Except the Roman Empire won and kept going for 500-600 years after Spartacus was defeated...

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It is like watching the migration patterns of animals and calling them Bob. Just because it now sounds like a person doesn't mean that a wildebeast migrating represents Bob or is controlled by the motives of Bob.
I don't think you shut down Visa MasterCard just by random or naturally occuring internet phenomena...

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Anonymous is not a group that exists on 4chan in /b/. If anything it is the behavior of individual but unknown people who use the web to do something in a minimally organised way to have a far reaching effect. It is the mob effect on the internet.
So they are organised and, like mob in the real world, they can be vanquished...

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That means that there is no point in ousting its leaders.
Oh but there is. Mob dies down or get distracted without some leaders and some organisation, however minimal...

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Anonymous doesn't have its hands on anything and has its hands on everything because we can all be Anonymous and we all aren't.
There's a clear difference between using internet and using internet to willingly attack a CC company...

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But media doesn't grasp that since they need to put a face to the name. But ultimately this means that Anonymous will just get more legenday. Strike one group down and another will take its place. Just as killing a few hundreds protestors, and arresting/torturing far more, did NOTHING to stop the protest in Egypt. Or killing all the buffalo stopped Bob.
Actually, killing all the buffalos worked - There are no longer any real buffalo migrations...

My point is this: Uprisings that sustain themselves need a minimum of leadership and organisation, no matter how widespread. Revolt is not instinctive, like migration. And uprisings can be put down.
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Not necessarily. As the OP states, they are a security firm - They might have been tasked with finding out all there is about this virus and managed to replicate/obtain a version of the virus.

For guys in Anonymous doing a quick crash-nd-grab, it looked the same as the real thing...
Well as far as that goes, Iran probably has more copies than anybody, but nobody seems to be making a big deal out of that. There was something different about the copy they grabbed. Perhaps it was simply a good reverse engineering that has enough information to allow someone to re-purpose the Stuxnet Worm or perhaps it was the records of how it was developed and deployed in the first place.

All speculation of course.

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Of course. But as you said, if I were a security firm, right now, I'd be asking the Iranians nicely for some infected PCs/USB sticks in order to isolate/replicate/learn about the virus.

It's not beyond reason that HBGary would have done just that.

OTOH, I am totally open to the idea they designed it and sold it to the USA/Israelis... And it is interesting, don't get me wrong, to find out that Anonymous found it on their PCs... It raises questions, at least...
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Houston, we have a problem. Or should I say, “Iran, we have your problem?” Last night, a member of hacker group Anonymous – a devious 4chan-spawned Internet coalition known for increasingly serious web-based attacks – announced on Twitter that the group was in possession of the Stuxnet virus.
"Are you Roger Mortimer? If not, have you got him?"

Smells iffy to me, but I'm going purely on instinct.

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So they are organised and, like mob in the real world, they can be vanquished...
Go on then...

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There's a clear difference between using internet and using internet to willingly attack a CC company...
But it's still a lot more difficult to track someone who launches a DoS attack than someone who chucks a brick.

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My point is this: Uprisings that sustain themselves need a minimum of leadership and organisation, no matter how widespread. Revolt is not instinctive, like migration. And uprisings can be put down.
But this isn't a real uprising - they're not trying to bring down the state or something, just piss a bunch of people off.
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Israeli general claims Stuxnet attacks as one of his successes
Posted on 15 February 2011.

Israeli general claims Stuxnet attacks as one of his successes

The latest results of a Symnatec study concentrating on the Stuxnet worm revealed that its developers knew what they were doing - once finished, it took only 12 hours to infect the first target.

The study also concluded that the Stuxnet attacks can be dated back to June 2009 - more than a year prior to it being first discovered by security experts - and that its intial targets were five separate organizations that have a presence in Iran and most of which have been attacked at various points through 2009 and 2010.

Last month, The New York Times ran a story about Stuxnet having been developed by the Americans and the Israelis as a part of a joint project, but it was based on the claims by confidential sources and there was only circumstantial evidence that would corroborate them.

But, it now seems that the information from these sources was correct. The Haaretz - Israel's oldest daily newspaper - reports (via Google Translate) about the a surprising video that was played at a party organized for General Gabi Ashkenazi's last day on the job.

The video contained references to the successes he achieved during his stint as chief of staff, and enumerated among them was the Stuxnet worm attack on Iran's uranium enrichment facility at Natanz and and the nuclear reactor at Bushehr.

There is always the possibility that this was just a way of magnifying the General's achievements, but it is also possible it is true. As we all know, Israel has never commented on the speculations about its involvement in the attacks.
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Go on then... But it's still a lot more difficult to track someone who launches a DoS attack than someone who chucks a brick.
I think the US is doing okay and, like the disc industry, they'd managed something if they really put their back into it.

You cannot catch everyone but if you catch a good few of them and slam them down with totally disproportionate punishment (like the fees the Music industry seems to ask every time they bring a 'pirate' to court - Or like the measures taken against the kids who threw a fire extinguisher in the UK), it will probably cool down quite a bit of the followers. So, for example, threaten and try the Anonymous guys under the new terrorist laws you got, asking for death penalty, LIFO or thereabout.

All you need is: Catching a small % and increasing the penalty. The smaller the % you catch, the higher the pain you need to inflict for a deterrent effect to work.
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