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Countering China, Obama Backs India for U.N. Council
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG and JIM YARDLEY
Published: November 8, 2010

NEW DELHI — By endorsing India for a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council, President Obama on Monday signaled the United States’ intention to create a deeper partnership of the world’s two largest democracies that would expand commercial ties and check the influence of an increasingly assertive China.

Mr. Obama’s announcement, made during a nationally televised address to the Indian Parliament, came at the end of a three-day visit to India that won high marks from an Indian political establishment once uncertain of the president’s commitment to the relationship. Even as stark differences remained between the countries on a range of tough issues, including Pakistan, trade policy, climate change and, to some degree, Iran, Mr. Obama spoke of India as an “indispensable” partner for the coming century.

“In Asia and around the world, India is not simply emerging,” he said during his speech in Parliament. “India has emerged.”

Mr. Obama’s closer embrace of India prompted a sharp warning from Pakistan, India’s rival and an uncertain ally of the United States in the war in Afghanistan, which criticized the two countries for engaging in “power politics” that lacked a moral foundation.

It is also likely to set off fresh concerns in Beijing, which has had a contentious relationship with India and has expressed alarm at American efforts to tighten alliances with Asian nations wary of China’s rising power.

But warmer ties between the United States and India, in the making for many years, come at a crucial time for Mr. Obama. He and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh are headed to South Korea later this week for a meeting of the Group of 20, apparently in agreement on what is expected to be a significant clash between the world’s big powers over the United States Federal Reserve’s plan to boost the American economy by pumping $600 billion into it.

China, Brazil and Germany have sharply criticized the move by the independent Fed, which they see as intended to push down the value of the dollar to boost American exports. Germany’s finance minister equated the move to currency manipulation “with the help of their central bank’s printing presses.”

But at a Monday news conference, Mr. Obama defended the Fed’s move and won backing from Mr. Singh, who spoke about the United States’ critical importance to the global economy.

“Anything that would stimulate the underlying growth and policies of entrepreneurship in the United States would help the cause of global prosperity,” he said.

The good will between Mr. Obama and Mr. Singh, as well as the almost giddy reaction to the president and his wife, Michelle, in the Indian press, lent a glossy sheen to a United States-India relationship that is still evolving.

India remains deeply protective of its sovereignty, while the United States is accustomed to having the upper hand with its foreign partners. On Monday, Mr. Singh emphasized the need for the two countries “to work as equal partners in a strategic relationship.”

“For India, going back to the earliest days since independence, there has always been a very strong attachment to strategic autonomy,” said Teresita C. Schaffer, director of the South Asia program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. “Americans throw around the word ‘ally’ with gay abandon.”

Mr. Obama arrived in India on Saturday bearing a big gift: his decision to lift longstanding export controls on sensitive technologies, albeit with some of the specifics still unclear. And the president also made several small-bore announcements about new collaborations between the nations on everything from homeland security to education, agriculture and open government.

Many Indian analysts said Mr. Obama had big shoes to fill, given the popularity here of his two predecessors. President George W. Bush is viewed with admiration, largely for his work securing a civil nuclear cooperation pact. And former President Bill Clinton, who in 2000 became the first American president to visit India in two decades, is fondly remembered for his gregarious personality and his own speech in Parliament, credited for reviving the relationship.

The headline moment of the trip was Mr. Obama’s announcement on the United Nations seat, even though the endorsement is seemingly as much symbolic as substantive, given the serious political obstacles that have long stalled efforts to reform membership of the Security Council.

All the major powers have said the post-World War II structure of the Security Council, in which the United States, Britain, France, Russia and China have permanent seats with veto power, should be changed to reflect a different balance of power. But it could take years for any changes to be made, partly because there is no agreement on which countries should be promoted to an enlarged Security Council.

The United States has promised to support a promotion for Japan and now India. China is viewed as far less eager for its Asian neighbors to acquire permanent membership in the Council.

But administration officials and independent analysts emphasized the significance of the president’s political message.

Ben Rhodes, a top foreign policy adviser to Mr. Obama, said the endorsement was intended to send a strong message “in terms of how we see India on the world stage.” Meanwhile, in Washington, even critics who had blamed Mr. Obama for letting the relationship with India drift reacted with praise — and surprise.

“It’s a bold move — no president has said that before,” said Richard Fontaine, a former adviser to Senator John McCain who wrote a critical report of Mr. Obama’s India policy last month for the Center for New American Security. “It’s a recognition of India’s emergence as a global power and the United States’ desire to be close to India.”

But any outreach to India is bound to cause problems for Mr. Obama in Pakistan. In Islamabad, Pakistan’s Foreign Ministry warned that Mr. Obama’s decision would further complicate the process of reforming the Security Council. Pakistan, the ministry said in a statement, hopes the United States “will take a moral view and not base itself on any temporary expediency or exigencies of power politics.”

For Mr. Obama, the Pakistan-India-United States nexus creates a delicate dance. The Obama administration is selling warplanes to Pakistan, a move viewed with suspicion here.

During his three-day visit, the president faced criticism for being too soft on Pakistan; during a question and answer session with college students, one demanded to know why he had not declared Pakistan a “terrorist state.” And even Mr. Singh, standing by the president’s side at a joint news conference Monday, reiterated India’s position that it could not have meaningful talks with Pakistan until it shut down the “terror machine” inside its borders.

But if Mr. Obama’s cautious language on Pakistan provoked initial unease, his speech at Parliament seemed to put the matter to rest when he called on the Pakistani government to eradicate “safe havens” for terrorism groups and prosecute the perpetrators of the November 2008 terrorist attacks in Mumbai that killed at least 168 people.

“Indians were keen to listen to two ‘p’ words,” said Rajiv Nayan, a strategic affairs analyst in New Delhi. “Permanent membership of the United Nations Security Council and, second, on Pakistan.”

Neil MacFarquhar contributed reporting from the United Nations.
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Christ on a bike Obama's foreign policy sucks hair old man balls. It's like "GW managed to piss off practically everyone and we're going to finish the job".
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I don't know about WW-III, but surely, there is currently a major trade war going on between the U.S. and China. China was majorly peeved about Bernanke's Quantitative Easing 2 -- Europe wasn't pleased either for sure, but China got truly annoyed.

What to do about it? There are two political schools. There is the Lincoln school that advises to keep your potential enemies (competitors) close to you so you can watch over them. The other school suggests to try to isolate your enemies by finding partners that are your enemies natural enemies.

The U.S. has screwed the rest of the world economically for the last 50 years or so. The rules of fair play applied to everyone, except for the United States. They made the rules up, i.e., they didn't have to play by any rules made up by others.

At some point, they'll overdo it, and the world will revolt against it. When the U.S. Dollar loses its privileged status as being the reserve currency of the world, the U.S. will be economically doomed. It's probably just a matter of time until this happens.
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Hey Gilles, you might know this. There was some French king or other who commented something along the lines of "every time I promote someone I create 99 resentful people and one ingrate".
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I think it was the Louis XIVth who said that...
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Originally Posted by Francois Cellier View Post
I don't know about WW-III, but surely, there is currently a major trade war going on between the U.S. and China. China was majorly peeved about Bernanke's Quantitative Easing 2 -- Europe wasn't pleased either for sure, but China got truly annoyed.
As some American economist pointed out - Given China's own currency manipulation and Germany's trade surplus, the hypocrisy of them complaining is so thick you could cut it with a knife...
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What was the exact quotation? I can't find it online.
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There are several variants:

Every time I appoint someone to a vacant position, I make a hundred unhappy and one ungrateful. OR Every time I bestow a vacant office I make a hundred discontented persons and one ingrate. OR Every time I create an appointment, I create a hundred malcontents and one ingrate.

I copy-paste the rest coz they're actually quite good...

Ah, if I were not king, I should lose my temper. First feelings are always the most natural. Best known: I am the state.

But I am especially fond of these two quotes I had not seen before: "Has God forgotten all I have done for Him?" AND "I could sooner reconcile all Europe than two women".

The following two work well in contrast. Make up your mind, dude! "It is legal because I wish it" AND "Laws are the sovereigns of sovereigns".
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China was majorly peeved about Bernanke's Quantitative Easing 2 -- Europe wasn't pleased either for sure, but China got truly annoyed.
There's a possibility that China's economists are less ideologically driven than those in the US. The way I read it, QE2 should have been part of QE1. It is now too little and too late. Because the "wow, we're gonna fix this" factor has dissipated, it is also likely to be ineffective.

I can't see why China would get annoyed about American incompetence. Neither nation deserves a Nobel Prize for managing its economy, except that the Americans keep lecturing China as to what they should do. Chinese are surely as pissed off about that as much as if American hamburger flippers tried to lecture Chinese about how to steam dumplings.

Having said that, McDonalds has achieved modest success in China, although it has not done as well as KFC - which has dumped its total dependence of deep-fried chicken to offer:

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Traditional Peking Chicken Rolls, Preserved Sichuan Pickle and Shredded Pork Soup, Happy French Fry Shakes (with beef, orange and Uygur barbecue spices) and for breakfast a Chinese-style porridge called congee.

In addition, a slick marketing campaign from KFC has some Chinese convinced that KFC is actually healthy. "Their message is that KFC is the 'new fast food,'" says the China Expat.
That's all very well, but I doubt whether a slick marketing campaign from a Wall Street bank would see Chinese taking out mortgages that are doomed to fail, so as to buy property whose skyrocketing price has become ridiculous.

While I personally prefer it to the Chinese model, our Land of the Free model allows people to cheat and lie for a long time, sometimes a very long time, before they get caught. (Berni Madoff's Ponzi scheme began in 1991 and it took 18 years before the SEC lowered the boom.)
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Traditional Peking Chicken Rolls, Preserved Sichuan Pickle and Shredded Pork Soup, Happy French Fry Shakes (with beef, orange and Uygur barbecue spices) and for breakfast a Chinese-style porridge called congee.
All still tastes like roofing foam deep fried in mayonaise, though. Dependability builds brand loyalty!

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While I personally prefer it to the Chinese model, our Land of the Free model allows people to cheat and lie for a long time, sometimes a very long time, before they get caught. (Berni Madoff's Ponzi scheme began in 1991 and it took 18 years before the SEC lowered the boom.)
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