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Old 07-09-10, 07:53 PM
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Church's plans to burn Qur'an will endanger troops, US commander warns

General David Petraeus says move by US evangelical group to burn Islam's holy book would threaten Americans worldwide


The leading US and Nato commander in Afghanistan today said threats by a US church to burn copies of the Qur'an could endanger troops in Afghanistan and Americans worldwide.

General David Petraeus's warning followed a protest by hundreds of Afghans yesterday over plans by the Florida-based Dove World Outreach Centre - an evangelical Christian church espousing anti-Islamic philosophy - to burn copies of the Qur'an on church grounds to mark the anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

Several hundred Afghans rallied outside a Kabul mosque, burning American flags and an effigy of Dove World's pastor and chanting: "Death to America." Members of the crowd briefly pelted a passing US military convoy with stones, but were ordered to stop by protest organisers.

Two days earlier, thousands of Indonesian Muslims rallied outside the US embassy in Jakarta and in five other cities to protest against the church's plans.

"Images of the burning of a Qur'an would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan, and around the world, to inflame public opinion and incite violence," Petraeus said.

"I am very concerned by the potential repercussions. Even the rumour that it might take place has sparked demonstrations such as the one that took place in Kabul. Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult."

Muslims consider the Qur'an to be the word of God and insist it be treated with the utmost respect, along with any printed material containing its verses or the name of Allah or the Prophet Muhammad. Any intentional damage or show of disrespect to the Qur'an is deeply offensive.

In 2005, 15 people died and scores were wounded in riots in Afghanistan sparked by a story in Newsweek magazine which alleged that interrogators at Guantánamo Bay placed copies of the Qur'an in bathrooms and flushed one down a toilet. Newsweek later retracted the story

The US embassy in Kabul issued a statement condemning the church's plans, saying Washington was "deeply concerned about deliberate attempts to offend members of religious or ethnic groups".

Dove World Outreach Centre, which made headlines last year after distributing T-shirts that said "Islam is of the Devil" has been denied a permit to set a bonfire but has vowed to proceed with the burning.

US church's plans to burn Qur'an will endanger troops, Afghanistan commander warns | World news | guardian.co.uk
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Old 07-09-10, 09:00 PM
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Since I was in France, I took advantage of being able to watch Jon Steward's Daily Show where that planned Qu'ran burning events was "reported" as well as some other cases of primal islamophobia (Ground Zero Mosque, mosques being denied building permissions in the South, in Wyoming, in California...).

I think American leaders/politicians should stop trying. Whether they want it or not, Americans want to be at war with Islam.
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I think American leaders/politicians should stop trying. Whether they want it or not, Americans want to be at war with Islam.
Generalization much?

MOST Americans do not want to be at war with anyone.

There are some loud obnoxious, stupid and dangerous ones around that probably do, but of the over 300 million people in the USA there are not likely very many NORMAL people that would say they want to be at war with a religion of any sort.

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I am just going with what I saw on Jon Steward's... Mosques being banned in NYC, Tennessee, Wyoming, California... with slogans of "Islam is a religion of death", "muslims support terrorists" etc.

We got Congressmen saying that babies are being born in the USA deliberately then taken away to be trained as terrorists so that they can come back in 15-20 years time to hurt the US. He called that a "gaping hole in US security".

We had some guy questioning whether Islam was a faith at all (and thus entitled to the Constitutional protection, I'd imagine) rather than a political thought system...

So, ok, it was a generalisation - These people are probably a minority. But it's a big one, politically active and well represented in the media and in the Conservative mvt...
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We will burn hundreds of copies of the Koran, insists Florida church

Pastor Terry Jones is sticking to his plan to send an incendiary anti-Islam message – unless God gives orders to the contrary

By David Usborne in Gainesville, Florida

Thursday, 9 September 2010


A pile of as many as 200 copies of the Koran will be burnt on a patch of lawn outside a small Christian church here on Saturday on the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks in spite of calls to desist yesterday from the White House and the Vatican, one of its pastors told The Independent last night.

"We are pretty much set on it right now," insisted Dave Ingram, an associate pastor at the Dove Outreach Centre in Gainesville, which plans to stage what it is calling its "International Burn-A-Koran Day". He and the senior pastor at the church, Terry Jones, did not rule out suspending the event if called to do so "by God".

The campaign against the church, which has a congregation of only about 50, to change course continued to mount. The Vatican issued a statement calling the planned incineration "outrageous and grave". Mr Jones said he had received more than 100 death threats, and he and his associates were wearing guns in holsters.

The US Defence Secretary, Robert Gates, said that he fully supported the message released this week by his commander in Afghanistan, General David Petraeus, arguing that torching the Korans would worsen tensions between Islamic countries and the West and endanger US soldiers on the ground. General Petraeus spoke yesterday with the Afghan President, Hamid Karzai, about the matter. On Monday in the Afghan capital, Kabul, several hundred people, mostly students, demonstrated against the planned Koran-burning, chanting "Death to America."

Also in Washington, David Axelrod, the senior political adviser to President Barack Obama, reiterated the determination of the White House to prevent the torching of the books. "The Reverend may have the right to do what he's doing but it's not right," he said. "It's not consistent with our values... I hope that his conscience and his good sense will take hold."

Mr Ingram, who also writes a blog on the Dove Centre website, said the Korans destined for the bonfire were mostly either bought by the church in shops or have been sent in by people supporting the stunt. He also defended the decision to stage it on Saturday, which, as the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, is already a sensitive date.

"The reason to do it on 9/11 was that we felt that would bring the most awareness," he said. "It relates to 9/11 because the Koran and the teaching of Mohamed helped to lead to what happened on 9/11 in 2001. There are teachings of Mohamed that lead to such acts."

As for moving forward with the torching in the face of so much opposition, he said we "feel very strongly about the message and we do have a lot of supporters who get what we are doing, a lot of people who know what we know in our hearts that this is right and that somebody has to speak out."

The purpose, Mr Ingram explained, was to force Americans to "seek the truth" about Islam and its teachings and "do it right now".

"We believe that Islam is dangerous. We see that in history and we see that in the Koran and in Mohamed's life. Our message is not against Muslims. There are moderate Muslims, people who say they are Muslims and they are perfectly moderate and we are not against their right to practise their faith. On the other hand, we do see that Islam, the teaching, is wrong and is dangerous and is violent. We want to send a clear message that this is the case."

It is not just political and military leaders in the United States speaking out against the planned burning. Religious leaders from all faiths in America have also coalesced to condemn it. In Gainesville itself, preachers from neighbouring churches said they planned counter-events, for example the reciting of Islamic prayers as part of their Christian services.

Craig Lowe, mayor of Gainesville, called the church "a tiny, fringe group and an embarrassment to our community. "They are opposed to the true character of Gainesville," he said on his Facebook site.

Far away in Connecticut, leaders of the city council in Hartford, its largest metropolis, said that all council meetings in September would open with Islamic prayers by an imam.

The controversy over the Koran-burning plan is all the more intense because it comes amid another jarring debate in America about the acceptability or otherwise of plans to build a mosque and Islamic community centre in Manhattan a few blocks from Ground Zero. Both sides in the increasingly bitter argument are planning rallies for Saturday at the site of the proposed centre.

In Gainesville, Mr Ingram did not rule out that the burning could be put off or scrapped. "We are of course still praying about it and if we feel we need to change our plans or God tells us to change our plans we are prepared to do it," he said.

The church had been in trouble with authorities previously over a bid to send members' children to school wearing T-shirts with the slogan "Islam is of the Devil." Local schools barred the shirts.

We will burn hundreds of copies of the Koran, insists Florida church - Americas, World - The Independent
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Originally Posted by contracycle View Post
On Monday in the Afghan capital, Kabul, several hundred people, mostly students, demonstrated against the planned Koran-burning, chanting "Death to America."
Hmmm... I am not sure how that's supposed to work...
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