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A history of folly, from the Trojan horse to Afghanistan

By recording failure in meticulous detail, the leaked war logs bear devastating witness to our incompetence


o Simon Jenkins
o guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 27 July 2010 20.30 BST


Is it the death of war? In Vietnam the horror of fighting was brought to TV screens in real time. Such was the reaction that American citizens withdrew their consent. In the 1980s computers were said to have restored the aloofness of battle by enabling armies to fight and defeat an enemy by remote control. They could locate the foe, direct fire and drop bombs with pinpoint accuracy.

That thesis is now threadbare. There is no such thing as a secure computer, let alone an accurate one. Every jot of information is leaky, permeable, corruptible, accessible, free-to-air. Computerisation and miniaturisation have stripped command of all secrecy and rendered every success or failure vulnerable to WikiLeak. As a result, like Hal in 2001: A Space Odyssey, computers can change sides and become the enemy.

Far from defeating the enemy, technology is portrayed as shielding soldiers from the immediate result of their actions, hence distorting tactics and corrupting strategy. By recording failure in meticulous detail, the logs mock the moral basis for so-called wars among the peoples. Like Vietnam's TV images, they leave the Iraq and Afghan conflicts as bloodthirsty killing fields, devoid of rational justification.

The war logs are not so much sensational as relentless. Most of the material was known. It is the detail that bears devastating witness. Afghanistan 2001 now enters firmly into the pantheon of folly, from the wooden horse to Napoleon in Moscow to Vietnam. Indeed it bears the added crassness of coming two decades after the Russians committed the exact same folly in the same place.

In 1971 the Pentagon papers revealed the deception of the Johnson and Nixon governments during the Vietnam war. The papers were credited with collapsing US morale as the war drew to a close. The Afghanistan logs convey a different message. They show George Bush, Tony Blair and their generals to be so dazzled by their massive military (and intellectual) firepower that they thought they were invincible against a tinpot Taliban.

Anyone who visited Kabul in the past eight years knew that a western war of occupation would end in tears. The Taliban were a concept, not an army. Al-Qaida was an unwelcome guest, but only the Taliban were likely to expel it. Mujahideen would ooze from the rocks if provoked and never stop fighting until the infidel was expelled. Pakistan, long holder of the key to the Afghan door, had a powerful interest in backing the Taliban, an interest promoted and financed by the CIA in the 1980s. All this was known – and is now confirmed.

What could not have been predicted is that Nato, the Pentagon and Britain's defence ministry could so ignore past history and current intelligence as to invade with main force, seek to pacify the Pashtun and then "build a nation" in a medieval land along western democratic lines – all with such incompetence. We could not have predicted, back in 2001-2, that this adventure would become the apotheosis of liberal interventionism, a good war, a righteous war, a New Labour war.

The logs reveal the resulting hubris in ghoulish detail: the failure of "hearts and minds", the waste of aid, the flip-flop on opium production, the odious belief that money trumps zeal and love of country. The logs are shot through with the arrogance of the hi-tech warrior and the glee taken in murdering leaders from the air. If enough Taliban are killed, says the machine, the enemy must surely run out of men.

What is most startling is the continuance of a strategy – the bombing of civilian targets in the hope of killing Taliban – that everyone seems to accept is counterproductive. Bombing and strafing crowds, like assassinating leaders and blowing up civic buildings, hopelessly disrupts communities and benefits mafias. Each dead Pashtun is not a talisman of success, as Nato press releases claim, nor is each civilian killed merely "regrettable". It recruits 10 more to the enemy. Every Taliban elder murdered breeds another, younger one, frantic for vengeance.

Yet no US or British general has succeeded in getting the bombings to cease. The computers are literally on autopilot. Hence last week's rocket attack on 45 civilians in Helmand, a massacre that would be a war crime if committed by infantry rather than airmen. The consequence of such slaughter is catastrophic in a civilian battlefield. The kit may work on Salisbury Plain but in Helmand, the piled corpses merely form a second front for the enemy.

With each atrocity another thousand Afghans must cry, better alive under the Taliban than dead under Nato. Yet in the Guardian yesterday, a former British officer, Richard Kemp, protested that the Taliban "deliberately and routinely uses women and children as human shields, and attempts to lure our forces to kill innocent people". He seems completely ignorant of counter-insurgency tactics.

There is no justice in Britain's continued presence in Helmand, merely ceaseless bloodletting and a desperate hope to extricate the army with minimal loss of face. Soldiers, and the politicians who rely on their advice, have become ever slower learners, like generals on the Somme. They disregard Afghan history and the "lantern on the stern", blundering blind into the darkness ahead.

Nato is already talking down the Afghan war as "not being about winning". Since the logs reveal the hopelessness of relying on Afghans to fight Taliban, the war can hardly be about anything else. Since Lady Manningham-Buller's evidence to Chilcot last week, nobody can claim it is about making Britain safe from terrorism. Nor is it anything to do with oil, or drugs, or Iran, or Pakistan, because in each case the war is making matters worse.

I cannot avoid the conclusion that, just as the Pashtun are said to be "hardwired to fight", so now are certain western regimes. War is about sating the military-security-industrial complex, a lobby so potent that, long after the cold war ended, it can induce democratic leaders to expend quantities of blood and money on such specious pretexts as suppressing dictators in one country and terror in another.

Like puppets dancing to manufactured fears and dreams of glory, these leaders have lost their grip on Plato's "sacred golden cord of reason". Until that grip is restored, the folly revealed by the war logs will continue.

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The war logs are not so much sensational as relentless. Most of the material was known. It is the detail that bears devastating witness. Afghanistan 2001 now enters firmly into the pantheon of folly, from the wooden horse to Napoleon in Moscow to Vietnam.
1- I thought the Trojan horse was a success story?
2- Napoleon's Russian campaign failed but it was nowhere near a certainty, even in hindsight.

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Indeed it bears the added crassness of coming two decades after the Russians committed the exact same folly in the same place.
History of Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A perfect antidote to the privileging of recent data only. Afghanistan has been conquered in the past, many times over.


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Anyone who visited Kabul in the past eight years knew that a western war of occupation would end in tears. The Taliban were a concept, not an army. Al-Qaida was an unwelcome guest, but only the Taliban were likely to expel it. Mujahideen would ooze from the rocks if provoked and never stop fighting until the infidel was expelled.
Defeat/retreat/negotiation with the Talibans are only 3 of the possible solutions. You could also adopt the tactics that made previous occupation army successful. I am reading a book about the English resistance to William the Conqueror. According to the author, too often, historians gloss over that period: Harald was defeated and killed at Hasting, with many of his family members and retinue. William was crowned King of England. End of story. In truth, William occupied only zones of England and then had to "pacify" huge parts of it. The author draws comparison with the German occupation of France in WWII but, obviously, any war of occupation/conquest could be a template.

We could use those templates in theory but I don't think we have the nerves for it anymore. Maybe time to turn over the job to the Chinese? We have subcontracted all of our industries to them. Why not the business of killing?

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I cannot avoid the conclusion that, just as the Pashtun are said to be "hardwired to fight", so now are certain western regimes. War is about sating the military-security-industrial complex, a lobby so potent that, long after the cold war ended, it can induce democratic leaders to expend quantities of blood and money on such specious pretexts as suppressing dictators in one country and terror in another.

Like puppets dancing to manufactured fears and dreams of glory, these leaders have lost their grip on Plato's "sacred golden cord of reason". Until that grip is restored, the folly revealed by the war logs will continue.
Hysterical bullshit.
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Originally Posted by contracycle View Post
Is it the death of war? In Vietnam the horror of fighting was brought to TV screens in real time. Such was the reaction that American citizens withdrew their consent.
Actually, Washington opinion started to turn against the war, followed by the tv channels and finally the public at large.
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Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais View Post
1- I thought the Trojan horse was a success story?
For the Greeks; the folly was in the Trojans taking the horse, even though they were warned not to by a seer.

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Well theoretically you could say it succeeded; he took Moscow. But it was still folly, not least because of the late date at which it set off.


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Defeat/retreat/negotiation with the Talibans are only 3 of the possible solutions. You could also adopt the tactics that made previous occupation army successful. I am reading a book about the English resistance to William the Conqueror. According to the author, too often, historians gloss over that period: Harald was defeated and killed at Hasting, with many of his family members and retinue. William was crowned King of England. End of story. In truth, William occupied only zones of England and then had to "pacify" huge parts of it. The author draws comparison with the German occupation of France in WWII but, obviously, any war of occupation/conquest could be a template.
Hmm, very different to what I have read. Both the fact that William had a claim some regarded as legitimate, asnd becuase most of the leading lights fell, virtually the whole oif England capitulated. London didn't fight, which is quite significant. Williams "harrying of the north" is the only real bit of suprresion he had to do.

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Hysterical bullshit.
I don't think so. America's use of force has gone beyond reason and into absurdity; it fights becuase it can, at the most charitable interpretation, not because it must or even because it stands to gain.
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History of Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A perfect antidote to the privileging of recent data only. Afghanistan has been conquered in the past, many times over.
Hence the term "Graveyard of Empires"?

The greatest massacre of British soldiers in the history of the British empire happened in Afghanistan.

"Slaughter in the Mountain Passes"

A magazine based in Boston, the North American Review, published a remarkably extensive and timely account titled “The English in Afghanistan” six months later, in July 1842. It contained this vivid description (some antiquated spellings have been left intact):

On the 6th of January, 1842, the Caboul forces commenced their retreat through the dismal pass, destined to be their grave. On the third day they were attacked by the mountaineers from all points, and a fearful slaughter ensued…

The troops kept on, and awful scenes ensued. Without food, mangled and cut to pieces, each one caring only for himself, all subordination had fled; and the soldiers of the forty-fourth English regiment are reported to have knocked down their officers with the butts of their muskets.

On the 13th of January, just seven days after the retreat commenced, one man, bloody and torn, mounted on a miserable pony, and pursued by horsemen, was seen riding furiously across the plains to Jellalabad. That was Dr. Brydon, the sole person to tell the tale of the passage of Khourd Caboul.

More than 16,000 people had set out on the retreat from Kabul, and in the end only one man, Dr. William Brydon, a British Army surgeon, had made it alive to Jalalabad. The garrison there lit signal fires and sounded bugles to guide other British survivors to safety, but after several days they realized that Brydon would be the only one. It was believed the Afghans let him live so he could tell the grisly story. "

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Hence the term "Graveyard of Empires"?
? Surely, these Empires kept existing after they had conquered Afghanistan. They collapsed for other reasons, as all Empires tend to, at some point.
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I don't think so. America's use of force has gone beyond reason and into absurdity; it fights becuase it can, at the most charitable interpretation, not because it must or even because it stands to gain.
I don't fully agree but even that is totally different from saying that the US gvt is enthralled/has been subdued by the "militaro-industrial complex". That's very 70s.
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