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Old 24-06-10, 02:49 PM
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62, lazy asses, it's 65 in the US and they want to raise that.

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PARIS – Trains stood still and children played instead of studied as workers around France went on strike Thursday to protest President Nicolas Sarkozy's plans to raise the retirement age to 62.

Neighboring countries suffered along with Paris commuters, as walkouts by drivers delayed or canceled trains from Italy and Switzerland. Some flights were dropped or delayed.

Boisterous crowds of protesters filled Marseille's port and wide Paris avenues, as unions staged nearly 200 marches in several cities over a broad reform to the money-losing pension system, part of efforts around Europe to cut back on growing public debts.

"Sarkozy, Don't Touch our Pensions!" read one banner at the Paris march, near a cardboard coffin marked: "Here lies Roger. He's 60, and he died before getting his retirement."

France has one of Europe's lowest retirement ages, allowing workers to retire at 60 in most sectors. The government says the reform to the money-losing pension system is an "obligation," given France's burgeoning deficit and its aging population.

Unions say money for the pension system should come from higher taxes or charges on those who are still working, and see cost-cutting in the pension system as an attack on a hard-fought way of life.

Sebastien Sihr, secretary general of the SNUipp union, called the reform "a step backward."

"They are refusing to imagine other sources of funding," he told The Associated Press at the Paris march, where a crowd of thousands whistled and cheered, waving red, white and blue balloons under a hot summer sun.

Commuters, meanwhile, made do, some cramming into sweaty, overcrowded buses and subway trains.

Hundreds of passengers were stranded at Rome's main train station Wednesday when the overnight train to Paris was canceled because of the strike. Authorities were putting the passengers on buses instead. Swiss national railway company SBB said about 60 percent of trains between France and Switzerland have been canceled because of the strike.

The French civil aviation authority, DGAC, asked airlines to cancel 15 percent of their flights out of Paris' Charles de Gaulle and Orly airports because of strikes by air traffic controllers. Air France said long-haul flights would remain unaffected.

Commuter Stephanie Larcher, a 29-year-old town planner, from Buressuryvette, in the outskirts of Paris, said she's had to add an extra hour onto her daily four-hour journey.

"I find it completely irritating, especially because train workers go on strike for any little thing," she said.

About 20 percent of French teachers were on strike, according to the Education Ministry. Utility workers, postal workers, dock workers, workers at planemaker Airbus and some hospital workers also took part in the one-day walkout.

The French pension reform pales in comparison with more drastic changes elsewhere in Europe. Germany, for example, plans to gradually raise its retirement age from 65 to 67, starting in 2012.

Bernadette Douisson, the secretary general of the FSU union, said the French government's real concern should be boosting employment in a country where large numbers of young people and seniors can't get jobs.

Labor Minister Eric Woerth says the reform will save nearly euro19 billion ($29.3 billion) in 2018 and should bring the pension system back into the black that year.

The reform is scheduled to be instituted progressively and will also stretch out the total number of years people have to work to win full pension payments.

The Cabinet is to discuss the proposals in July, and they are expected to go before parliament next autumn.
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62, lazy asses, it's 65 in the US and they want to raise that.
Is there some reason the rest of us should be dragged down to your level? Just because Americans are too chicken to stand up for themselves doesn't mean everyone else should be.
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why should someone draw a pension for 30 years when they could eaisly work for another 5 to 10. It's not substainable and cause friction between oldies and the youth who have to pay for their lifestyle.
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why should someone draw a pension for 30 years when they could eaisly work for another 5 to 10. It's not substainable and cause friction between oldies and the youth who have to pay for their lifestyle.
So we have some duty to work till we drop, like Roman slaves in the salt mines? It is inexplicable, given our productivity, that 40+ years of work can't fund 30-odd years of retirement. Of course it's sustainable; the contrary claim is merely dogma.

Plus, life expectancy is linked to affluence, and nobody is going to prevent the rich from retiring at 55 or whatever; this is direct assault on the living standards of ordinary people, the very people whose labour actually generates wealth.
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If you think youth will be willing to support oldies that long your dreaming, there will be backlash.
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They are lazy asses. They don't do any work before 60 and now they don't want to do any after either.

Fucking babyboomers don't give a shit that we've got no money left and it's their own kids who are going to have to pay for that as long as they hang on to their "rights". Hope they make you work til you're 80. Douchebags.
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Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
If you think youth will be willing to support oldies that long your dreaming, there will be backlash.
But they're not supporting them; pensions are paid out of a fund to which the recipients spent their working lives contributing. Lastly, student support for such campaigns is usually quite solid, becuase young people know that if these measures go through they will be affected in turn, getting less for their contributions and working longer.
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Well, it would be except that they didn't contribute enough and the French social security system has been running a deficit for years.
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62, lazy asses, it's 65 in the US and they want to raise that. .
they already have, I can't retire until 67.....
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Originally Posted by contracycle View Post
Is there some reason the rest of us should be dragged down to your level? Just because Americans are too chicken to stand up for themselves doesn't mean everyone else should be.
lol, "stand up for themselves" apparently means "get paid a pension from someone else's tax money".......
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