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Old 20-01-12, 04:42 PM
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yeah well mb them french troops shouldn't have been playing around without their weapons in a war zone. They were kinda asking for it.

France mulls Afghan exit after troops 'murdered' - Yahoo! News

President Nicolas Sarkozy warned Friday he may accelerate the French withdrawal from Afghanistan after an Afghan soldier shot dead four unarmed French troops during a sports session inside a base.

Sarkozy suspended French military training and joint combat operations and dispatched Defence Minister Gerard Longuet to probe Friday's attack in which at least 15 unarmed French soldiers were wounded, eight seriously.

"The French army stands alongside its allies but we cannot accept that a single one of our soldiers be wounded or killed by our allies, it's unacceptable," Sarkozy said.

"If security conditions are not clearly established, then the question of an early return of the French army will be asked," he said.

A security source said the shooting happened as "the French were just finishing their sports session" at the Gwam base.

"The soldiers were not protected. They could not defend themselves. He fired at the group. Then they neutralised him," the source said.

Longuet described the attack as "murder".

"They were not armed, they were literally murdered by an Afghan soldier. We don't yet know if it was a Taliban who infiltrated or if it was someone who decided to act for reasons as yet unknown," Longuet said.

Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said France would await a report from Longuet and military chief of staff Admiral Edouard Guillaud on their return from Afghanistan before taking any decision on an early pull-out.

"Their main task will be to establish the circumstances and responsibilities of this tragedy and then report to the French government what measures the Afghan authorities promise to undertake to sort out Afghan army recruitment and ensure the French contingent's security," Juppe said.

"Based on this report, the president and the government will decide whether the security conditions are credible.

"If this is not the case, we will draw the conclusions... including the acceleration of a complete withdrawal of our contingent set for the end of 2013," Juppe said.

France has about 3,600 soldiers serving in the country, mainly in the provinces of Kabul and Kapisa, the scene of Friday's shooting.

heir deployment is deeply unpopular in France, and Sarkozy is facing a tough reelection battle in less than three months.

French troops have fanned out around their base in the eastern province and are not allowing any Afghan soldiers to approach, a security source told AFP. The French force currently in Afghanistan will be reduced to 3,000 by late 2012, with 200 due to leave in March. NATO is due to hand security over to Afghan forces before withdrawing all its combat troops by the end of 2014.

Training Afghan forces and accompanying them into battle against rebels is the core of the French mission within the NATO-led coalition in Afghanistan, the force having already scaled down its own operations.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai sent his condolences to the French people over the deaths, saying relations between the two countries had "always been based on honesty, which makes Afghans happy."

"The president is saddened at the incident and expresses his deep sympathy and condolences to the president and people of France and the victims' families," his office said in a statement.

NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen also expressed his condolences, but insisted the attack was isolated.

"This is a sad day for our troops in Afghanistan and the French people," Rasmussen told reporters during a visit to NATO ally Latvia.

"I would like to express my condolences for the four French soldiers who were killed today and my sympathy to those who were wounded," he said, warning against seeing a new trend of attacks from renegade Afghan troops.

"Such tragic incidents are terrible and grab headlines but they are isolated," he said, noting that 130,000 NATO-led international forces are still serving alongside more than 300,000 Afghans.

The latest deaths brought to 82 the number of French soldiers killed in Afghanistan since French forces deployed there at the end of 2001.

Suicide attacks, roadside bombs and insurgent attacks had a heavy toll on French troops in 2011. A total of 26 were killed, the most in a single year during the 10-year war.

The shooting was the latest in a string of incidents of Afghan soldiers turning their weapons on members of the foreign force fighting an insurgency by hardline Taliban Islamists.

Last month, two soldiers of the French Foreign Legion serving in Afghanistan were shot dead by a man wearing an Afghan army uniform during a mission in Kapisa, site of the main French base in Afghanistan.

The Taliban claimed responsibility for that attack.

In April last year eight US soldiers were killed in a shooting at a military airport in Kabul, but a Pentagon report this month said the killings were the actions of a disturbed Afghan military officer who acted alone.

While some attacks have been claimed by the Taliban, others have been put down to arguments or personal animosity between soldiers from the two forces serving together.
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Yeah, this just makes us look ridiculous. Sure, everyone's looking for an excuse to leave as soon as possible, but it would have looked way better if they'd just said "well you lot can carry on farting about up here if you like, but we're off".
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isn't unstable security situtions kind of expected in a warzone. If that's the reason they pull out no wonder the frogs can't win a war.
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We weren't especially interested in it even to begin with. What's your excuse?
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They had terrorist there in all that.
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I meant for losing.
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We're winning.
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According to the Declare Victory and Go Home school of warfare, certainly. Come on, let's face it', no one's ever going to "win" Afghanistan. Now it's all just about who can find the best excuse to leave ASAP. (Which contest the French, admittedly, seem to have lost.)
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The Bad News From Afghanistan Just Keeps Rolling In
—By Kevin Drum| Fri Jan. 20, 2012

The Bad News From Afghanistan Just Keeps Rolling In | Mother Jones

The latest from Afghanistan:

President Nicolas Sarkozy of France suspended military operations as part of the American-led coalition in Afghanistan on Friday and said he was considering an early pullout of his nation’s forces after a man in Afghan Army uniform shot and killed four French soldiers....The four French service members were killed and a number were wounded on Friday when a gunman wearing an Afghan National Army uniform turned his weapon on them, according to an Afghan police official in Kapisa Province in eastern Afghanistan where the episode occurred.

This isn't an isolated incident, either. The Guardian reports on a recently completed Pentagon study:

Mutual mistrust and contempt between local and foreign forces in Afghanistan that often borders on hatred is one of the main reasons why Afghan troops increasingly turn their guns on their Nato comrades, a damning report has found. The research, commissioned by the US military, said American soldiers enrage their Afghan colleagues with what the report describes as extreme arrogance, bullying and "crude behaviour".

It also heavily criticised as "profoundly intellectually dishonest" the Nato claims that the killing of alliance troops by Afghan soldiers is extremely rare. The data suggests incidents such as the killing on Friday of four French soldiers "reflect a rapidly growing systemic homicide threat (a magnitude of which may be unprecedented between 'allies' in modern military history)"....According to behavioural scientist Jeffrey Bordin's report, the number of attacks have been growing, with 26 incidents of killings or attempted killings since early 2007. Those attacks led to the deaths of 58 foreign personnel.

The military has dismissed the study, saying it "suffered from irrelevant generalisations, narrow sample sets, unprofessional rhetoric and sensationalism." Maybe so. But these kinds of studies, often scorned in pretty similar language, have usually turned out to be more accurate than the happy talk from commanders on the ground.

It's always worth keeping in mind, even though I know this is obvious, that we're not on Plan B here. We executed that one around 2005 or so. We're currently about on Plan F, and if it's working better than Plans A through E, the improvements are pretty marginal. As the old saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me six times, shame on me. As near as I can tell, though, the Republican candidates pretty unanimously want to move on to Plan G, and the military has given plenty of hints that they'll be proposing exactly that sometime in the next year or so.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but if we fall for this yet again, we're collective idiots. Drawing down from Afghanistan will be no cakewalk, and the results will almost certainly be lethal. But it's past time that we acknowledged we've done about as much as we can. It's time to come home.
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Old 24-01-12, 12:54 AM
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we don't ever trust the afghans we train. They are bad soldiers, no discipline, do a lot of drugs. Most are ex paki troops that go to astan cuz we pay more for soldier. $16 a day vs $12 in their native country.
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