Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais

Is it not what they say about climate change studies as well? I mean, how do you know one is true and the other isn't?

Because they're two different things?

Shit... by the logic of you two I suppose I now believe in creationism, that coal is a clean energy source, and so on and so forth.

-FML

P.S. The only reason they can get away with it is because of successful social and political campaigns to demonize smoking during the last 20 years.

P.P.S. I am not, nor have I ever been a smoker. (except for that one summer when I was 16)

__________________
Righteousness will always be the trap at the gates of hell

Originally Posted by AnonymousIdiotSavant

Because they're two different things?

Well, yes. But they're both highly politicised, highly emotional subjects that get people's blood running one way or the other. Hence if a conspiracy is at work in one case (say, smoking), it's not that hard to imagine/believe that a conspiracy would be at work in the other case...

Quote:

Shit... by the logic of you two I suppose I now believe in creationism, that coal is a clean energy source, and so on and so forth.

Well, okay, you can accept a bit of science and not some others. But it is strange to insist, as you do, that "[t]he only reason they can get away with it is because of successful social and political campaigns to demonize smoking during the last 20 years" while taking the piss when conservatives say the exact same thing about climate change.

And, btw, I'd be tempted to ask who had so much interest in promoting non-smoking? Cigarettes were/are huge businesses, tax revenues on them are probably juicy and, of course, tobacco farmers are not without political muscle.

The only powerful guy who really disliked smoking was Hitler... That didn't help the anti-smoking crowd in the free world...

Quote:

P.P.S. I am not, nor have I ever been a smoker. (except for that one summer when I was 16)

I smoke cigars [although on an infrequent basis]...

__________________
Unless otherwise specified, I am posting as a regular poster. When I will act as a mod, I'll make sure you're in no doubt.

Originally Posted by AnonymousIdiotSavant

No, no, no. ... They also use theoretical, unmeasurable values to back up their bullshit. It really IS junk science.

Ridiculous nonsense. The whole argument originated in proper epidemiological studies. It is not junk science - it has the dubious distinction, prior to global warming, of having been the most studied question in science, with the largest body of accumulated evidence. And the reason for the similarity is both of them were opposed by well funded corporate disinformation campaigns. And you, apparently, have fallen for it.

Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais

Well, okay, you can accept a bit of science and not some others. But it is strange to insist, as you do, that "[t]he only reason they can get away with it is because of successful social and political campaigns to demonize smoking during the last 20 years" while taking the piss when conservatives say the exact same thing about climate change. And, btw, I'd be tempted to ask who had so much interest in promoting non-smoking? Cigarettes were/are huge businesses, tax revenues on them are probably juicy and, of course, tobacco farmers are not without political muscle.

Just like prohibition i'd say its a convergence of people who think its a nasty habit (which it is). The smoking lobbyist didn't help themselves when their extremely crass internal memos about creating more addicts, lying about the risk of cancer, and getting kids to smoke were leaked during congressional hearings.

Theres no conspiracy here... you used to be able to smoke on air planes (in flight) or on college campuses (in the classroom, during class) and over the years the places people were allowed to smoke at have gotten more and more restrictive.

Anywho, I think we went through this a couple years ago. I posted lots of stuff then that showed what bullshit the 2nd hand smoke stuff all is.

Feel free to believe what you want. The only reason I even bother to beat this dead horse is because whiny self-righteous anti-smoker dumb ass nanny-staters piss me off so much.

__________________
Righteousness will always be the trap at the gates of hell

Oh on point as to "who they are" I forgot Penn&Teller did an episode on the subject. So you can meet one of them.

Here ya go.

Bullshit! S1/E5 Second Hand Smoke / Baby Bullshit 1/3 - YouTube

__________________
Righteousness will always be the trap at the gates of hell