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Old 13-11-11, 12:43 PM
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He said “the Google effect” of so much information being readily available online had “very substantially” raised the “threshold for producing intelligence” for MI5, MI6 and GCHQ.

“Nobody wants the easy stuff anymore and there is no point spending effort and money collecting it,” said Sir David, who was giving the annual Mountbatten Memorial Lecture at the Institution of Engineering and Technology.

“Many of the sort of things for which [officials] once would have turned to the intelligence agencies are now readily available to them online,” he said.

“Thanks to Google Maps and Streeview anyone can today see photographic detail of far away countries which hitherto would have been available only through secret and highly sophisticated national satellites.

“Intelligence producers have had to become very sensitive to this phenomenon and very careful not to put effort into producing intelligence that purports to be secret which is in fact not secret at all.”

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Sir David retired as director of GCHQ in 2008 after five years in charge of Britain’s electronic spying efforts. He oversaw a major shake-up of the 5,000-strong agency that aimed to transform its Cold War structure to one “fit for the internet age”.

His predecessor in the job, Sir David Omand, aspeaking after the lecture, agreed that the web and Google had “raised the bar” for spies.

Sir David Pepper also said “the Google effect” meant that officials who use secret intelligence were demanding it quicker than ever before.

“If the intelligence readers are used to getting information online very fast they’re going to expect the intelligence agencies to be able to do much the same thing,” he said.

But online information was offering opportunities as well as challenges to those in the espionage trade, Sir David said.

“You can find out a lot about potential spies without ever meeting them, simply by looking at their online footprints,” he said.

GCHQ now deals with so much data that its vast halls of computers in Cheltenham use many of the same techniques and technologies as Google uses to index the web.

Sir David, who now sits on the advisory board of the French defence giant Thales, also spoke about the growing threat to national security from cyber crime, cyber espionage and cyber attacks that disrupt physical infrastructure. He said the forthcoming update to the government's cyber security strategy should include lessons on internet security for school children.
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Old 14-11-11, 09:15 AM
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If spies can't tell us more than what Google can, what's the point of them? Cameron is looking to cut some fat. This might be a good place to start...
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Well I think it's probably a fair observation. Quite a lot of intelligence was basically the assembly of a really good geography and encyclopedia, and it's only recently that advanced information tech has allowed us to go much beyond that.
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Not according to Sun Tzu. I always liked his 5 type of spies classification. But, of course, with HUMINT being so much ignored by Western powers in recent decades, I guess it's only fair intelligence agencies get replaced by Wiki/Google...
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Well I think that's slighlty off the point. He talks about maps and guides and knowing that the enemy is doing and capable of, all of which is much the same as the kind of data published in the CIA world fact book. Sabotrage and assinsation and the like may have their roles, but I think that assembliong raw data is a pretty fair description of what most of them have done, most of the time,.
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They're not really about maps, guides and stuff, imho. They're about piercing the enemies' intentions and/or/at the same time, deceiving him about your intentions.

Hence my positive love for 'sacrificed spies' stories... Their inhumanity is... thrilling!
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