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DJIA down 400 at 2:26 pm EDT

And the fun is just begun baby.

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CANADA STOCKS-TSX sinks 3 pct on growth fears, weakest since Oct


Thu Aug 4, 2011 2:26pm EDT

* TSX down 441.23 points, or 3.44 pct, at 12,374.80 * Main index hits lowest level since Oct. 5 * All sectors drop on economic woes, materials lead (Updates prices, adds further details) By Trish Nixon
TORONTO, Aug 4 (Reuters) - Toronto's main stock index plunged more than 3 percent on Thursday to its lowest level in nearly 10 months as a wave of selling slammed world markets, driven by fears about global growth. World stocks plunged to new lows for the year on Thursday with a sell-off in markets accelerating sharply as investors fretted about the outlook for the global economy and piled into safe-haven bonds. [MKTS/GLOB]

"The market's out of its mind here, and we're into some form of crazy panic selling," said Barry Schwartz, portfolio manager at Baskin Financial Services. "Hopefully, job reports tomorrow will show some stabilization and the market will regain its sanity, because it's completely lost it."
At 2:19 p.m. (1819 GMT) the the Toronto Stock Exchange's S&P/TSX composite index .GSPTSE was down 441.23 points, or 3.44 percent, at 12,374.80. All 10 of the TSX's main groups were lower, led by the heavyweight materials, energy and financial sectors. "People are saying: Let's get out and we'll keep our money, and buy again down the road when things look even worse and everything is cheaper," said Fred Ketchen, director of equity trading at ScotiaMcLeod. Materials stocks, which include heavyweight miners, fell 5.4 percent as copper prices hit a one-month low. Even a record bullion price failed to support gold miners. [MET/L][GOL/] The TSX's energy group lost 3.8 percent as U.S. crude fell more than $5, stung by a rise in U.S. petroleum inventories and worries about soft demand. [O/R].

The financial sector was 1.68 percent lower despite healthy earnings reports. Insurers Sun Life Financial (SLF.TO) and Great-West Lifeco (GWO.TO) were both weaker, despite reporting better-than-expected second-quarter profits on Wednesday.
IGM Financial (IGM.TO), one of Canada's largest mutual fund companies, was down 1.09 percent at C$47.11 even after reporting a higher quarterly profit thanks to stronger fee revenues and investment income.

"If you're looking around for good news, we've got earnings out ... but not even a surprise in the upside on earnings is helping. People have got a very very negative view on everything and they are running to the sidelines," Ketchen said. Barrick Gold (ABX.TO), down 5.9 percent at C$44.52 was the biggest drag on the index, followed by Suncor Energy (SU.TO) which lost 4.4 percent to trade at C$33.13, and Valeant Pharmaceuticals International Inc (VRX.TO), off 15 percent to C$42.87. Valeant fell even after reporting a 66 percent rise in quarterly profit and raising its earnings forecast. [ID:nN1E773076]

The index's biggest percentage decliner was debt-laden Yellow Media Inc (YLO.TO). Shares of the telephone directory publisher plunged 46.4 percent to C$1.04 after the company slashed its annual dividend by 77 percent and withdrew its full year outlook. [ID:nL3E7J4381] Canada's two biggest airlines, both of which reported stronger-than-expected results on Thursday, also slid with the broader market. Air Canada (ACa.TO) lost 3.3 percent to C$2.04, while WestJet Airlines (WJA.TO) slid 1.7 percent to C$13.99. [ID:nN1E7730P4] ($1=$0.97 Canadian) (With additional reporting by Andrea Hopkins; Editing by Jeffrey Hodgson)
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$1,667oz for gold!


Then it dropped to $1,655oz... people sellin off their gold because they don't have cash on hand to cover their debts.... dun dun.
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Wow!

That was quite the ride DJIA -512+ at close.

Tomorrow could go either way, calm, sharp up or sharp down. Kind of depends on how the bean counters midnight oil burning exercise goes tonight.

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Update: Wall Street plummets, Dow in 512-point drop

Update: Wall Street plummets, Dow in 512-point drop | AHN

Source: (AHN) Reporter: Windsor Genova
Location: New York, NY, United States Published: August 4, 2011 07:24 pm EDT
Topics: Economy, Business And Finance, Market And Exchange, Human Interest, Curiosity

The main U.S. stock indexes lost all of this year’s gains Thursday led by a 512-point drop by the Dow Jones Industrial Average as investors’ fear of another U.S. recession and continuing sovereign debt crisis in Europe sparked selloffs.
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With the 4.3 percent loss, the Dow closed at 11,384 points repeating December 2008’s worst and February 2009’s steepest plunge. All 30 components lost ground led by Alcoa Inc.’s 9.3 percent decline.

The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index was off 60 points or 4.6 percent closing at 1,200, its worst since February 2009. Hit hardest were the natural resources and energy sectors.

The Nasdaq Composite Index lost 137 points or 5.1 percent to end at 2,556. It was the worst loss since January 2009.

Crude oil futures also dropped with September delivery down $5.30 or 5.8 percent to end at $86.63 per barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

Gold futures also slid Thursday with a $7.30 or 0.4 percent drop in December delivery. It closed at $1,659 an ounce.
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Europe's central bank ready to inject cash
Markets fear Italy and Spain next in debt crisis

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Posted: Aug 4, 2011 3:00 PM ET
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European Central Bank head Jean-Claude Trichet hinted Thursday that the bank might again buy bonds of Europe's most financially troubled governments in an attempt to calm markets fretting over the debts of both Italy and Spain.

The bank also offered more emergency credit to banks, and indicated there was a greater chance that an interest rate hike once expected in October would be put off — a stance that could ease some pressure on troubled economies in the 17-member euro zone.

European officials are trying to keep the government debt crisis — that has brought down bailed-out Greece, Ireland and Portugal — from hitting Spain and Italy, which are regarded as too big to rescue with the funding now available to the euro zone's bailout mechanism.

Questions about the bond-buying program, left unused for four months, dominated Trichet's news conference following Thursday's widely anticipated decision to leave the ECB's main interest rate unchanged at 1.5 per cent.

Trichet left open the possibility of reopening the bond-purchase program but appeared determined to keep market traders off-balance about the bank's actual intentions.

"I never said it was dormant," he said, adding that the bank would reveal any purchases at the regular Monday disclosure.

"You will see what we do," he said. "If we intervene, we intervene, and we will publish the amount of what we have done."
Italian, Spanish rates soar

Italian bonds, as well as those of Spain, have seen their prices fall of late and that's been driving up the interest yields that governments face to finance their debt.

Such rising yields drove Greece, Portugal and Ireland to seek bailout loans from the euro zone and the International Monetary Fund.

Euro zone leaders agreed a second bailout for Greece July 21 and gave their bailout fund the power to buy bonds in the secondary market. But the changes will not get through national parliaments until this fall, and the ominous increase in market tensions over the past few days has led some observers to wonder whether the ECB would reactivate bond purchases.

Analyst Carsten Brzeski at ING in Brussels said it appeared the ECB had made some purchases as Trichet was speaking "in an attempt to show the program was still alive."

But he said the program, whose official rationale is not supporting troubled governments but making sure the bank's interest rate policy is transmitted to markets, likely remained too "halfhearted" to make a decisive impact.

Marc Ostwald of Monument Securities said that pre-announced bond purchases would rob them of their effect.

"Intervention is not ruled out but the ECB sensibly wants to preserve an element of surprise," Ostwald said.

Whatever the case, Italian bond yields eased to 5.96 per cent from as high as 6.28 per cent earlier in the day. They were back above 6 per cent again however within an hour after the press conference ending.

Brzeski also said Trichet appeared to be open to postponing a quarter-point rate hike that some analysts expected in October. "A next rate hike does not seem to be on the cards any time soon."
ECB still watching inflation

Trichet said the bank would monitor inflation "very closely," repeating the bank's stance from last month. That phrasing is considered code for a possible rate hike in the months ahead, but not one next month.

But he also added phrases indicating uncertainty about growth, which would argue against a rate hike that would put more interest costs on banks, businesses and consumers.

"Uncertainty is particularly high," he said.

The bank raised rates a quarter point in April and July to ward off inflation, but the prospects for the economy and the debt crisis have worsened since then.

The bank also announced the extension of its previous short-term credit offerings to banks, and added a six-month offering of unlimited credit in an operation that would settle on August 11.

Those measures aimed at supporting banks by making added ready money available if they want it.

Jitters about possible defaults on government bonds have left some of Europe's weaker banks dependent on the central bank's credit window to fund their businesses day to day.
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4 August 2011 Last updated at 22:18 ET


Asian stocks tumble after heavy sell-off on Wall Street


BBC News - Asian stocks tumble after heavy sell-off on Wall Street

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Last Updated at 04 Aug 2011, 20:45 ET Nikkei 225 one month chart
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9315.49 -343.69 -3.56

Asian stock markets have slumped on Friday, extending a global equity sell-off after Wall Street had its worst day in more than two years.

Japan's main Nikkei 225 index shed 3.4% to 9,329.75. South Korea lost 4.2%, while Australia slid 2.4%.

On Thursday, shares in the US and Europe tumbled on fears about the strength of the US economic recovery and the eurozone debt crisis.

Analysts warned that global markets may remain volatile in the coming weeks.

"Fear is the major theme," David Cohen of Action Economics told the BBC in an interview.

"People were cautiously optimistic that we would get back on track in the second half of the year. But with the US recovery stalling and the possible repercussions for the global economy, stock markets have been under pressure for a while."

The sell-off in global equities has hit investors hard.

Over the past nine trading sessions, the US S&P 500 stock index has lost $1.37tn (£843.6bn) from its total market value.

In Europe, the UK's FTSE has seen £160.9bn ($261bn) wiped off its market value. In Germany, the Dax has shed 85.5bn euros (£74.2bn; $120.5bn), with France's Cac losing 13.6bn euros.
'Out of tools'

Throughout 2011, global markets have been trying to absorb and process a number of significant shocks.

The first of half of the year saw a deadly tsunami and earthquake strike Japan, hurting the world's third-biggest economy just as it looked as if growth was picking up.

At the same time, there was a spike in oil prices caused by the political unrest in North Africa and the Middle-East. Bubbling away in the background the whole time were the growing debt problems in the US and the eurozone.
Worried investors in China The biggest problem facing investors is that they are running out of places to put their money

However, despite these issues, analysts say many investors were optimistic that underlying global growth would be helped along by expansion in China and Asia's other fast-growing nations.

That optimism seems to have dissipated in recent weeks as policymakers' failure to deal with the global fiscal problems was compounded by some weak economic data out of the US. Also, the efforts of governments and central banks to instill stability into the markets seem to have fallen short of their goal.

On Thursday, in a move that many analysts called a short-term fix, Japan intervened in the currency market in an attempt to weaken the strong yen and buy some succour for exporters.

Action Economics' Mr Cohen said people were losing hope that lawmakers would be able to get growth back on track.

"There is an underlying fear that central banks don't have any more tools," he explained.
Spreading problem

On Thursday in the US, the Dow Jones index had its worst day since December 2008, closing down 512.76 points, or 4.3%, at 11,383.68.

Wall Street's other leading indexes also slid, with the S&P 500 index falling 4.8% and the tech-heavy Nasdaq more than 5% lower.

Earlier in the day, Europe had been been under heavy selling pressure, with its main indexes losing more than 3%.

This came after European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso warned that the region's sovereign debt crisis was spreading, sparking fears that Italy and Spain might become engulfed in the problems.

London's FTSE 100 index and Frankfurt's Dax had their worst day this year on Thursday, closing almost 3.5% lower.

"People are throwing in the towel because they can't find relief on any front," said Milton Ezrati, market strategist at Lord Abbett.
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This is interesting, note the date.

IS THE FED ABOUT TO MAKE THE MISTAKE OF THE DECADE?
By Toby Connor
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IS THE FED ABOUT TO MAKE THE MISTAKE OF THE DECADE? | Benzinga.com

Just as I expected, when the market failed to rally on the debt ceiling resolution, panic set in. As I have been telling people the stock market is not dropping because politicians are debating whether or not to spend more money. They have a long record of raising the debt ceiling whenever it threatened to interfere with their spending spree. So the resolution to the debt ceiling was never in question. We knew from day one that Washington would add another trillion or so to the deficit without any real attempt to cut spending. The market has been in trouble since May because it is starting to price in the next recession.


The S&P has now breached the March intermediate cycle low. In a mature bull market that is almost always a signal that a new cyclical bear market has begun.


I've been warning investors since late April that this was coming. Many were fooled by the phony manufactured rally at the end of June. I knew at the time that the Fed's pitiful attempt to manufacture a momentum move as QE2 came to an end would fail.


All that being said, the market is now moving into the timing band for a major intermediate cycle bottom. My best guess is that the reversal today will probably trigger a weak bounce up to the 200 day moving average, followed by one more leg down. That should mark a more lasting bottom and trigger a 6 to 8 week bear market rally. That rally is going to look very convincing and I'll tell you why in just a second. But just like the rally in June it is going to fail.

Folks, a recession is unavoidable at this point. The piper is going to have to be paid for printing trillions of dollars and bailing out the financial system. Unfortunately there's no way around that. The question is will Bernanke make the ultimate blunder and initiate QE3? I'll explain in a second.


Next we need to take a look at the dollar chart. It's not a pretty picture. With the market in free fall the dollar should be rallying violently. If May marked the three year cycle low like I originally thought then the dollar should be rising rapidly by now.The fact that it's not is a very ominous sign.


I'm starting to worry that Bernanke is going to initiate QE3 and he's going to add a currency crisis on top of the economy sliding back into recession.The combination of both of these at the same time will trigger a collapse much worse than what we went through in 2008.

If the market decides that QE3 is in the cards that would be the trigger for our bear market rally. Unfortunately it would also be the trigger for another spike in commodity prices at the very time that the consumer is least able to withstand them.

What Washington and the Fed don't seem to realize is that the problem isn't the size of the dose, it's that we are using the wrong medicine. We've already spent trillions to save the economy and it failed. Let's pray that the powers that be have enough sense to recognize that more trillions are not going to cure the problem, they are going to exacerbate it.

Unfortunately what no one wants to admit is that there is no cure for our problem. We can't stop it. It can't be "fixed". All we can do is make it worse. We desperately need to face reality and initiate the painful policies that are required to halt the car before it drives off the cliff. Failure to do that will mean that the market will force reality upon us as a major global economic collapse.


Before this is all over and done I fully expect the Keynesian economic model will get tossed into the trash heap where it belongs. If it wasn't for politicians desire to spend more than they can afford Keynesian policies would have been discarded decades ago.
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August 3 2011: The Next Bank Bailout Bloodbath is Here





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Ilargi: I was reading Arthur Delaney at The Huffington Post today talk about emergency unemployment benefit extensions, and how they've been strangled in the entire debt ceiling debate debacle, and I was thinking I can't remember having heard one word on job creation during that entire debate.

Which I find an utter disgrace; not just because it's insulting to the 10-20% of Americans who don't have jobs, but also because it should be blindingly clear that without new jobs, and lots of them, the American economy can't possibly recover.

But at least I now know why that is, why no-one in Washington talks about unemployment in connection with the federal debt. All I have to do is look at the stock markets.

According to Google Finance, over the past year, August 4 2010 to August 3 2011, the Dow Jones index has gained 10.41%, while the S&P 500 even rose by 11.48% (at the moment I checked them earlier today). That looks good. But it's only part of the story, and not just because the Dow lost 5.7% and the S&P 6.05% over the past month.

I've had a 'fictional' portfolio of financial stocks for a while now at Google Finance, and used it in posts before. Before today's US market opening, it looked like this:



As you can see, there are a number of stocks in there that not everyone would have in a finance portfolio, and some others that may be missing. But I like it this way. I still left Lehman and Fannie and Freddie in (though none are exchange traded anymore), and included GE and Société Générale, among others.

This portfolio shows a completely different picture than the complete Dow and S&P numbers. The financial world is not doing all that well.

My portfolio is down 15.46% from August 4 2010 to August 3 2011, not up 10% or 11%. What's more, from its peak on February 8, 2011, it's down over 30%. That is in less than 6 months. Here are a few examples from my list:

US banks:
  • Bank of America's stock is down 34.1% over the past 12 months, 34.51% over the past 6 months, 14.2% over the past month alone.
  • Citigroup is down 9.78% YoY, 22.64% over 6 months, 13.22% over the past month.
  • Morgan Stanley: down 24.23% YoY, 30.12% over 6 months, 12.33% over one month.
  • Goldman Sachs: down 13.95% YoY, 19.93% over 6 months, 3.53% over one month.
  • JPMorgan: down 3.21% YoY, 12.54% over 6 months, 4.38% over one month.


Foreign banks:
  • Société Générale: down 34.82% YoY, 36.39% over 6 months, 30.28% over one month.
  • Crédit Agricole: down 30.9% YoY, 31.66% over 6 months, 30.8% over one month.
  • Deutsche Bank: down 31% YoY, 17.61% over 6 months, 16.48% over one month
  • RBS: down 35.61% YoY, 25.12% over 6 months, 17.73% over one month


I guess it should be obvious that we're watching an unfolding bloodbath here (even Goldman lost almost 20% in 6 months). But then again, when JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon said recently that banks are so flush with cash they're going to issue nice and juicy dividends, I think he meant, and believed in, what he said. It's just that they're flush with your cash, not their own.

But there's nothing, nothing at all, on the economic horizon that carries even the least bit of hope that these banks will be able to make good on their lost stock values. No jobs increases, no increases in home sales, none of that. They'll just be gutter dwellers, if they stay alive at all, though, granted, your money may provide for plush gutters.

One major issue with all this is that all of the banks above, except for Crédit Agricole, are primary dealers. Wikipedia:
The primary dealers form a worldwide network that distributes new U.S. government debt. [..]

In the United States a primary dealer is a bank or securities broker-dealer that may trade directly with the Federal Reserve System ("the Fed"). Such firms are required to make bids or offers when the Fed conducts open market operations, provide information to the Fed's open market trading desk, and to participate actively in U.S. Treasury securities auctions.

They consult with both the U.S. Treasury and the Fed about funding the budget deficit and implementing monetary policy. Many former employees of primary dealers work at the Treasury, because of their expertise in the government debt markets, though the Fed avoids a similar revolving door policy.

Between them, these dealers purchase the vast majority of the U.S. Treasury securities (T-bills, T-notes, and T-bonds) sold at auction, and resell them to the public. Their activities extend well beyond the Treasury market [..] ... all of the top ten dealers in the foreign exchange market are also primary dealers, and between them account for almost 73% of forex trading volume.
They make the world go 'round with God’s work, if you catch my drift..

Another, and equally important, issue is that these banks were among the recipients of the AIG bailout. And that, of course, gets us back to the derivatives trade. Which will soon, if these developments don't stop, bring us to another bail-out. Well, either that or failing banks.

Société Générale is shedding stock value like it was dandruff (9% today alone). It issued a profit warning today that put the blame on its Greek debt. It also has a lot of liabilities connected to Italy, though. And Spain. Both of which are in the bond market's crosshairs. Greece will soon be back there, and Cyprus will need a bailout imminently. Portugal and Ireland are about to return to the limelight. Belgian sovereign debt is getting pressurized. And even France sees the spread with German bunds widen.

A lot of European banks are going to need serious assistance, and soon. There are no Italian, Greek or Spanish banks in my portfolio, but numbers for banks like Italy's Unicredit (down 47.39% YoY) and Spain's Santander (down 29.51% YoY) are in the lower (worst) range of those I mentioned above.

The EU and ECB are not even going to be able to save all the countries that are in trouble, let alone the banks. All the markets have to do is to slowly tighten the screws, and that's what they will do. If Cyprus is lucky, it can still get a few billion. But the European Financial Stability Facility, which would be needed to fund anything bigger than Cyprus, isn’t even properly set up yet, and already Italy looks like it'll go from net donor to recipient as early as this year.

That would leave more responsibility on Germany. But it just so happens that Germany's own Spiegel magazine writes today:
German Economy Starts to Cool Down
Germany staged an impressive recovery from the 2008/2009 global economic crisis, but there are increasing signs that the boom is now coming to an end. After almost two years of strong growth, its economic outlook is starting to deteriorate, due to a slowdown in major emerging markets including China and fears of a possible United States recession caused by $2.4 trillion in spending cuts linked to the debt ceiling deal.

Various indicators released in recent weeks point to a deceleration of Europe's largest economy. The Ifo business climate index for July fell sharply to its lowest level in nine months, and analysts say it is likely to keep dropping. The ZEW investor sentiment index showed the weakest level since January 2009. And the Markit/BME purchasing managers' index for the German manufacturing sector fell 2.6 points in July to 52 points, its lowest level since October 2009. "New order levels went into reverse in July, as fewer export sales helped end a two-year period of sustained growth," Tim Moore, senior economist at Markit, said.
Doesn't look like Berlin can carry the entire EU on its shoulders. But then, it never could. The fact is simply becoming more pronounced and obvious now.

So where do the derivatives come in? Remember AIG. Billions of American taxpayer dollars went to foreign banks like Deutsche Bank and Société Générale. There were a lot of voices raised in protest stateside. But they were simply counterparties to derivatives deals AIG had written -and never meant to pay-. In the murky world of derivatives there are many known unknowns, and one of them is that most credit default swaps still originate in US financial institutions, and tons of them, on Greek and Italian debt, for instance, were sold to European banks.

If Greece -or, heaven forbid, Italy or Spain- were to default, and let's make that a "when, not if" for Greece, Société Générale et al will be desperately gasping for air because of their bond losses, the EU and ECB won't be able to come to all the rescues, the only way for these banks to come out alive will be their legitimate claims on CDS written on Wall Street once a credit event has been declared, and the US Treasury and/or Federal Reserve will once again be called upon to save the Mediterranean day at the cost of Joe and Jane Main Street, My Town, USA.

No, I think I do understand why Washington didn't talk about jobs when discussing the debt ceiling (even though Obama goes on a "jobs tour" soon, talk about timing, but Happy Birthday all the same, sir).

They got bigger sardines to fry out there on Capitol Hill. The very big and very ugly kind that eat political careers for breakfast. It’ll be bloody, and not even a fair fight.
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Yea hawww!

DJIA down 600 pts a few minutes ago.

Currently -483 at 12:50 MDT.

Gold over $1720/oz

Going to be a roller coaster ride to the close today.

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"Inter arma silent Musae"--when the weapons speak, the muses fall silent.

An't nanum hearm deth, doth hwaet ye willath.

It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished
unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets. -Voltaire

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