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Tiger, Tiger, the graphic account of an abused child's relationship with a 51-year-old paedophile, is already being hyped as the most controversial book of the year. A writer, a psychologist and a survivor give their verdict

The critic - Rachel Cooke
Picture a seven-year-old girl. She is called Margaux. She likes ice-cream and gum balls, though only red ones. She dislikes puzzles and the scary-looking jokers in a pack of cards, which she insists be removed before any game is played. Now picture her lover, Peter. Yes, you read that right. Her lover. He is 51 years old, and a self-taught locksmith. He has limp, grey hair, cut in a bowl, and a collection of exotic pets. One of these pets is a cayman, "part alligator, part crocodile". The cayman, living in captivity in the oppressive fug of Peter's apartment, is tiny, just half the size of Margaux's arm. But his owner likes him that way. For Peter, small is beautiful. He would like Margaux to stay small, too. Her birthdays make him more than usually tearful, for they remind him – as if he needed reminding – that she is rapidly approaching the end of what they both think of as her "nymphdom".

If you want to know more about Margaux and Peter's 15-year relationship – conducted in full view of a number of perfectly sentient adults, it ended only when Peter killed himself by jumping off a cliff – then you should head out to your local bookstore and reserve a copy of Tiger, Tiger, surely the most hyped memoir that 2011 is likely to produce (already sold to 20 countries, this is a book, its publisher insists, which "has to be talked about"). But, first, have a think. How much more do you want to know? Or, to put it another way, how much more can you take?

There is plenty to unsettle and upset in Tiger, Tiger, not least those sentient adults, seemingly complicit in Peter's crimes in the interests of an easy life. But the most troubling thing by far is the attitude of its author, Margaux Fragoso, who is determined to spare us absolutely nothing, and so details not only every dubious "tickling game", but also such things as the way Peter's penis looks, his fondness for frottage, and the reasons why they were never able to enjoy full intercourse. Is this, as some American critics have politely suggested, a sign of her great survivor bravery? I'm not sure. It felt as blank as pornography to me – and the more it went on, the more convinced I was that only a voyeur or a pervert could admire it. Can Fragoso write? Yes. But not so well that you would read her for her style alone.

Inevitably, I've already heard Tiger, Tiger described as "Lolita, from Lolita's point of view". But this is lazy. When Margaux and Peter read Nabokov's novel together, he is upset that "Lolita didn't really love Humbert", a reaction that convinces poor Margaux she can be the best "nymph" ever, as loving as she is loved. Why does she need this love? Because she is otherwise entirely without affection.

The book is set in Union City, New Jersey, where Margaux lives with a mother who is mentally ill and a father who is distant and furious, and it is this home life – brutal and mean – that drives her into Peter's arms. She sees him at the swimming pool, splashing around, and asks if she can join in. Thereafter, she is smitten. He is so kind. A curious man-child who at first asks very little from her – even later, his line when it comes to sexual favours is "only if you want to, sweetheart" – Peter tunes into her likes and dislikes with exquisite enthusiasm, with the result that she comes to see him as a soul mate. The unwavering laser of his attention makes her feel wanted and alive. In a prologue to her story, the adult Margaux writes that spending time with a paedophile "can be like a drug high". In her own case, it was a drug she was unable to give up.

All this is beautifully done: a dark door unlocked with the snugly fitting key of experience. But still, something salacious lurks here, too. Why did Fragoso include such graphic intimacies? It seems to me that there are only two possibilities. Either the post-traumatic stress disorder she describes in an afterword has left her so numb, so utterly anaesthetised, that a part of her is still unable to grasp what adult-child sex means in the real world – in which case, a kindly editor should have stepped in and saved her from herself.

Or, she knows exactly what she is doing, and a part of her relishes these passages: their power to horrify and, perhaps, their power to thrill, to shift books. Naturally, I am unable to judge her on this score. But reading her memoir made me feel exploitative, prurient and sometimes rather sick. Is this cowardice on my part? No. Contrary to what Fragoso's supporters seem to believe, a desire not to have certain images imprinted on your mind isn't at all the same thing as burying your head in the sand and hoping that child abuse will simply go away.

The psychologist - Oliver James
I will be surprised if many readers of this book enjoy it, find it enlightening or recommend it to their friends. That is not because of the sexual explicitness. Exaggerated by publicity-seeking publishers, the intimate details should not disgust or trouble most adults, although there is more information than we need (Nabokov's restraint in this area remains the standard for how much is required for us to get the gist).

No, the difficulty is really that Fragoso has simply not created a memoir which is compelling to read or contains any deeper message (and I suspect it would have been the same had she told the same tale as fiction). The main emotions it evokes are depression and, occasionally, the feeling of being the voyeur of a lot of domestic nastiness.

A brief afterword offers this justification for the book: "By setting down the memories I've worked to break the old, deeply rooted patterns of suffering and abuse that have dogged my family through the generations." Doubtless this is sincerely meant.

It might be that she was also impelled by a desire to launch a literary career through a shocking idea: that a vulnerable, emotionally needy girl could feel love (though not sexual desire) for a man who sexually exploited her for a decade from the age of seven. Unfortunately, that is all she offers, a no-holds-barred account of the relationship.

In writing books for the public, it is not enough to just make others feel as depressed or empty as you. This is a sorry tale which just makes you feel... sorry. If her motive truly was to break destructive patterns, good luck to her, I hope she succeeded. By all means write it out for herself. Why do we need to hear the story?

The model for how to convert the lead of horrendous maltreatment into the gold of valuable literature is Edward St Aubyn's Melrose books, the final volume of which, At Last), is eagerly awaited in May. Its central character, Patrick Melrose, was abused by his father, a man of appalling sadism and some psychopathy. St Aubyn has stated that his father also abused him in real life.

However, the books go far beyond this maltreatment, subtly exploring Melrose's mother's motives and confronting questions of importance to everyone. They show how all of us are either robotically reproducing or reacting against the care we received. Whether from affluent or poor homes, whether hideously mistreated or just averagely neglected, this is the human predicament. In a triumphant end to the books, St Aubyn provides a moving and optimistic basis for seeking real independent volition. By contrast, Fragoso offers us undigested fact. In being so frank, perhaps she feels relief. But she simply transfers the damaged feeling from herself to the reader.

Of course it is a massive task to do anything else if you have been abused. As the Human Genome Project is proving, genes play little role in severe mental illness, and it is clear from this book that, at times, Fragoso was made schizophrenic by the abuse. There are 14 different studies showing that at least half of people diagnosed with this problem suffered abuse. On average, a woman who suffered it when young possesses 5% less of a crucial part of the brain for emotional regulation (the hippocampus) than an unabused woman.

There are similar findings for maltreatment in the histories of people with personality disorder and depression. But whatever the form that the subsequent emotional distress takes, alas, just evoking it in others does not make for enlightening or readable books.

If writing it all down helped Fragoso to break the cycle, great. But in needing to share it with us in this form, you cannot help feeling she still has much work to do on herself.

Oliver James's latest book, How Not to F*** Them Up is out in paperback

The survivor - anon
Why anyone would read Tiger, Tiger of their own volition is beyond me. When I was invited to review it I did what I think anyone would: shrink internally and shudder. Sexual abuse is a harrowing topic and, as a victim of it, my initial response was to feel culpable and apologetic for the book's existence. I've never read about abuse before: it is something that happened to me that can't be undone and the less I allow it to affect my life and to define who I am the more power I have over it.

As I read it, clenched, I went through myriad emotions: outrage, repulsion, sadness, grief, empathy, anger. The only redemptive feeling it prompted was admiration for Fragoso's unwavering candour: she is a talented writer and her memoir is executed without judgment or shame. But Fragoso's portrayal of herself seems almost completely defined by Peter's idolisation of her. I felt she was objectifying her child self in the descriptions of how imaginative she was and how conscious she was of her sensuality. That Peter has infected her self-image in this way sickened me more than the deeply disturbing graphic sexual content.

At points in the narrative, I felt it was an affectionate commemoration of Peter and a startling study of Stockholm syndrome. Perhaps the most significant thing about it is that every adult in Margaux's life is complicit in her abuse. By telling her story I do think, to some degree, she empowers victims of sexual abuse by forcing the world to bear witness.

But who are these willing witnesses? Who is it written for? Herself, as a cathartic act of self-empowerment? Fellow victims? Paedophiles? Or those people with a morbid fascination for perverts? It is a truly horrible read. As Peter insinuates himself into Margaux's affections, I was in the grip of suspense, awaiting the inevitable abuse of trust. And this is what I found distasteful – the sensationalism which will undoubtedly sell many copies.

The real question is whether this book is necessary. Victims shed their victimhood by voicing their experience. I, too, write to cope but I want to create things of beauty that defy the ugliness of abuse. I'm pleased Fragoso has spun her flax into gold, but the cynic in me can't help but feel it was, in part, published to capitalise on the inevitable controversy, thereby continuing the cycle of exploitation.
If I was putting together a time capsule to try to convey to some future alien society the state of humanity in general, but more particularly here and now in the West at the beginning of the 21st century, this would go straight in. Not the book, which is a matter of complete disinterest to me, but these responses to it.

I love how not one of the three ever considers that Fragoso might be a perfectly sane and reasonable person telling the truth. Anyone who thinks or acts a little differently to how they are supposed to is evidently a nutjob to be pitied and cured by well-meaning interference. Of course, it is to a certain extent Fragoso's own doing - either she should know by now what the reaction would have been, or knows and doesn't give a shit (although why on earth you'd bother writing a book that you know will be systematically and deliberately misunderstood by its entire audience escapes me).

Coincidentally, there's a long piece in todays Graun by Simon Baron-Cohen about empathy. I'm not going to allege that people aren't actually empathetic, just that what they empathise with isn't the Other, it's whatever representation of him their own solipsistic and uninventive mind has come up with. If they're lucky the specific individual in question will actually turn out to conform to whatever mess of stereotypes and received ideas they've decided to pin on to him (and people aren't all that diverse, so I guess it happens most of the time), if not, you've got two people sitting there talking not to each other but each to some mirage that they've conjured up for themselves.
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I love how not one of the three ever considers that Fragoso might be a perfectly sane and reasonable person telling the truth.
? Not one of them doubt she is telling the truth. Personally, I kinda like, for once, the psy. "Why do we need that book?" is a reasonable question if it does nothing but lay some facts that are with no interest to anyone but the author's and maybe her circle. She might be sane and reasonable and I still don't have to care.

Btw, that book goes on the 'to avoid' list...

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Coincidentally, there's a long piece in todays Graun by Simon Baron-Cohen about empathy. I'm not going to allege that people aren't actually empathetic, just that what they empathise with isn't the Other, it's whatever representation of him their own solipsistic and uninventive mind has come up with. If they're lucky the specific individual in question will actually turn out to conform to whatever mess of stereotypes and received ideas they've decided to pin on to him (and people aren't all that diverse, so I guess it happens most of the time), if not, you've got two people sitting there talking not to each other but each to some mirage that they've conjured up for themselves.
Is that not the same thing as claiming that the world is unknowable because you can never 'see' it but you simply experience it via your brain's reading of it?
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Not one of them doubt she is telling the truth.
They think she's deluded about her own opinions of it. "Oh no kid could possibly like a paedophile, must be Stockholm syndrome."

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Personally, I kinda like, for once, the psy. "Why do we need that book?"
Why do we need any book?

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Is that not the same thing as claiming that the world is unknowable because you can never 'see' it but you simply experience it via your brain's reading of it?
Actually I think that's a pretty good point of view. Sure thinking "hey, maybe this rock isn't a rock, it's really a giraffe but I'm being deluded by my whacky, whacky brain" isn't much help to anyone, but once you get into more subjective stuff it's interesting. Sticking your hand into a meat-grinder, for instance, isn't objectively painful - your brain just likes to think it is.

Of course, with people it's not nearly as simple as that, because they can just lie to you whereas a rock or a giraffe can't. I'm not saying it's impossible to have a real connection, just that most people are too lazy or unimaginative.
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They think she's deluded about her own opinions of it. "Oh no kid could possibly like a paedophile, must be Stockholm syndrome."
Well... If she could have had an adult looking after her emotional needs without some sexual games/stuff thrown in, which one would she have picked?

It's not clear to me that the survivor making that comment clearly understand what Stockholm syndrome actually is - my own understanding is hazy but I am pretty sure it is not about finding/noting/concluding that an otherwise 'abusive' relation also feed some of your emotional needs...

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Some do speak to our humanity and relates to the human condition as a whole. Stating "some otherwise weird and generally seen as bad relationship did something for me" is a bit... flat? The psy replies kind of match my own: "Yeah...and?"

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Sticking your hand into a meat-grinder, for instance, isn't objectively painful - your brain just likes to think it is.
My problem with that is that I am one of those primary-level-interpretation guy. So pain is in the brain? Great. How does that help? At least, if we had one of these cybernetic tools Cyberpunk talked about that would allow you to control pain by blocking brain signals, I could see the interest - Dim pain to a level that alert you you're hurting your body but that allow to function nonetheless... Plenty of potential applications...

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I'm not saying it's impossible to have a real connection, just that most people are too lazy or unimaginative.
Well, as you said and as I long defended, people aren't nearly as unique as their DNA or fingerprints suggest. There are broad categories and rule-of-thumbs that allow you to deal with most people easily - Hence, my defense of objectification as the mechanism by which we cope with interacting with more than a handful of people. Hence my rejection of things like Facebook. I never believed you could have more than a couple of true friends. The rest are mates, buddies, contacts, people in your circle, people you vaguely know but they are not friends.
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Well... If she could have had an adult looking after her emotional needs without some sexual games/stuff thrown in, which one would she have picked?
Seems like she was pretty happy with what she had.

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Some do speak to our humanity and relates to the human condition as a whole. Stating "some otherwise weird and generally seen as bad relationship did something for me" is a bit... flat? The psy replies kind of match my own: "Yeah...and?"
Personally I just read books for my own amusement.

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My problem with that is that I am one of those primary-level-interpretation guy. So pain is in the brain? Great. How does that help? At least, if we had one of these cybernetic tools Cyberpunk talked about that would allow you to control pain by blocking brain signals, I could see the interest - Dim pain to a level that alert you you're hurting your body but that allow to function nonetheless... Plenty of potential applications...
To a certain extent you can do it yourself - get your vipassana on, analyse it and let it go. Granted it probably won't help if you've got a your leg stuck in a threshing machine, but most everyday pain is what you make of it.

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Well, as you said and as I long defended, people aren't nearly as unique as their DNA or fingerprints suggest. There are broad categories and rule-of-thumbs that allow you to deal with most people easily - Hence, my defense of objectification as the mechanism by which we cope with interacting with more than a handful of people. Hence my rejection of things like Facebook. I never believed you could have more than a couple of true friends. The rest are mates, buddies, contacts, people in your circle, people you vaguely know but they are not friends.
I don't think even stereotypes are enough, largely because people lie to themselves as well as to others. People think of themselves in terms of different stereotypes from those that others apply to them.
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Seems like she was pretty happy with what she had.
If she was, why is she writing a book?

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Personally I just read books for my own amusement.
And, in this book, this seems light on the ground - with mostly embarassing/upsetting things. Then again, you and I might found these amusing...

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To a certain extent you can do it yourself - get your vipassana on, analyse it and let it go. Granted it probably won't help if you've got a your leg stuck in a threshing machine, but most everyday pain is what you make of it.
A couple of years ago, I fucked up my back and pinch some nerves and/or discs went out of joint. Believe me, meditation wasn't going to cut it... I imagine shredding machine would be even worst... As to analysing it and letting it go, I do that naturally...

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I don't think even stereotypes are enough, largely because people lie to themselves as well as to others. People think of themselves in terms of different stereotypes from those that others apply to them.
Do you think people view themselves in stereotypes? These days, what with individualism, I thought the joke was a whole crowd of people all saying "I am unique"...
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Coincidentally, there's a long piece in todays Graun by Simon Baron-Cohen about empathy. I'm not going to allege that people aren't actually empathetic, just that what they empathise with isn't the Other, it's whatever representation of him their own solipsistic and uninventive mind has come up with. If they're lucky the specific individual in question will actually turn out to conform to whatever mess of stereotypes and received ideas they've decided to pin on to him (and people aren't all that diverse, so I guess it happens most of the time), if not, you've got two people sitting there talking not to each other but each to some mirage that they've conjured up for themselves.
I've never thought people empathize with other people as much as they empathize with the situations those people find themselves in.

Its why you're able to empathize with strangers. Because while you may not know anything about them, you may know something about what it feels like to be really hungry, or cold, or hurt, or alone, or whatever.
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I've never thought people empathize with other people as much as they empathize with the situations those people find themselves in.
True, that. Good insight. Whoever said that every human carries within himself/herself the entirety of the human condition?

Edit: Google is your friend. Answer to the above question is Montaigne, 1588 AD. "Chaque homme porte la forme entiθre de l'humaine condition"...
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Forty hungry teenagers, my wife, and I were in the museum basement of the Toledo Zoo. Before we knew it, the room turned into a church. The Zoo-Teens, a program designed to foster young people's interest in the zoo, animals, and service to others, had invited me to help the teens extract lessons from the 30-hour fast they were completing.

Kids usually learn from this experience only that it sucks to be hungry and poor. But this time would be different. I had brought a black bag. I walked into the center of the room and told the teens I empathized with their hunger. Then I unpacked the bag, removing a breakfast sandwich and three large orders of French fries.

Universal moans and groans. I heard: "You are so mean!" With elitist disdain, I asked: "What do you mean? I've worked hard for the ability to get food. I earned it, it's all mine, so tough crap." I walked around the room, waving the French fries under each teenager's nose. "How do you like it?" I taunted them. "I got it -- you don't." I took a huge bite of the sandwich. With my mouth full, I asked: "So what did you all learn from the fast?"

Silence. Another huge bite. "Seriously, what did you learn?" Glares. "What are you feeling now?" I said. "It's OK -- you can be honest." After one more gluttonous bite, I finally heard: "Jealousy." "Envy," said another. "Anger," said a third. Then a boy behind me said: "I want to just take it from you." I let that sink in.

"What does that mean?" I asked the teens. "His anger and jealousy grew to the point of considering robbery. Was it because I had so much, or because I was flaunting it?" Before they could answer, I told them: "I feel bad about your hunger. Let me share my bounty."

My wife, who was helping me teach the teens how we sometimes see poor people treated, invited them to the center of the room. She ordered them to line up in single file, prodding them when they didn't move fast enough. She demanded obedience. She sent one student to the end of the line "just because." She told another teen whose path had been blocked by a pillar that she would get no food.

When the teen complained, my wife retorted: "You weren't in line. No exceptions." Finally, I began to donate my bounty: one French fry apiece. The teens just looked at what I had given them.

"Why aren't you eating?" I asked. Their reaction was one I have seen many times on the streets, but didn't anticipate from this exercise. A quiet response: "I want to give this to someone else who needs it." Another teen added: "We don't want to break our fast. We would rather give these to the student who thinks he's going to pass out."

Now the students understood why our friends on the streets take the cigarette butt they find and share it with another. Why one of our friends who lives at St. Paul's Community Center gave his only pair of gloves to another resident whose hands were freezing, because he said he "wanted to help the homeless." Why our friend Jimmy, after he was given a much-needed change of clothes, stopped, turned around, and said: "I'm going to go pass this on." Why those with the least give the most: It's called humanity.

I had come to teach the students. They became my teachers. There is much hope for our future. Church dismissed.

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Plenty of happy people write books.

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And, in this book, this seems light on the ground - with mostly embarassing/upsetting things. Then again, you and I might found these amusing...
I thought it was quite sweet, but then I accept what she says at face value.

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A couple of years ago, I fucked up my back and pinch some nerves and/or discs went out of joint. Believe me, meditation wasn't going to cut it... I imagine shredding machine would be even worst... As to analysing it and letting it go, I do that naturally...
Well yes, there are things that go beyond my capacities for serenity too. Must try harder, is the conclusion, I suppose.

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Do you think people view themselves in stereotypes? These days, what with individualism, I thought the joke was a whole crowd of people all saying "I am unique"...
It's a joke because they're all more or less alike - if you ask them, "Yeah, I think I'm an easy-going sort of guy but you don't want to cross me when I get angry. I'm not really formally religious; I like to think of myself as a spiritual person. I like books and cinema, pina coladas and getting caught in the rain." Equally, however other people see them no one's ever going to admit that they're stingy or tactless or whatever, or even that they're "careful" and "down to earth", which is the nice way of putting it.

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Its why you're able to empathize with strangers. Because while you may not know anything about them, you may know something about what it feels like to be really hungry, or cold, or hurt, or alone, or whatever.
Because you have a bunch of preconcieved ideas about how they should think, which override anything they might actually say or do that would indicate the contrary.

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I had come to teach the students. They became my teachers. There is much hope for our future. Church dismissed.
"Meringues haven't got souls," said Eleanor's mother.
"It's a mercy that they haven't," said Clovis; "they would be always losing them, and people like my aunt would get up missions to meringues, and say it was wonderful how much one could teach them and how much more one could learn from them."
"What could you learn from a meringue?" asked Eleanor's mother.
"My aunt has been known to learn humility from an ex-Viceroy," said Clovis.
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