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Old 11-11-10, 02:12 PM
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The giants of the web have long insisted that they should be regarded not as media firms, responsible for the content that appears on their platforms, but as technology businesses shaped purely by their users' desires. But in the last 24 hours two web giants have shown, in very different ways, that this line may no longer be tenable.

The first example is Google. Until recently, the search giant insisted that if searchers turned up something unsavoury - from a jihadist video to the encouragement of anorexia - that was not really its responsibility. The algorithm did its work and that was that - you could not argue with what popped up on the screen. But today Google has announced that people who search for terms relating to suicide will see a message with contact details for the Samaritans.

Google says it hopes that by providing a highly visible link to the confidential support line, it can help those who are suicidal or distressed to reach help. In the United States the same approach has resulted in a 9% increase in calls to the National Suicide Prevention Line.

This may appear to be a wholly sensible and humane initiative but it might not have happened a few years back. Google has previously insisted that there are only two ways of appearing in its search results - the morally blind choices made by its algorithms and the sponsored links and ads paid for by those who bid for search terms.

Now there's a third reason - the public good. So perhaps there could be other messages planted next to search terms. If you look for jihadist videos or bomb-making instructions, should you get a link to a confidential police line? In the past, Google might have said "yes, if the police want to bid for those terms" - but could that now change?

The second case involves Amazon.com, the online bookseller. Last night a storm broke out on Twitter about a book which apparently promoted paedophilia. There was outrage that the retailer could see fit to make such a publication available, and threats of a boycott.

The book appears to have got on to the site through Amazon's self-publishing programme, where the only limits are what the retailer deems offensive - and there's no detailed guidance on what that means.

But Amazon issued a statement saying it would be censorship not to sell certain books because Amazon or others thought their message objectionable. That approach may be in keeping with the original spirit of the web, but is not one that you can see being adopted by any traditional media firm or high-street retailer.

And the irony is that it's the web which has made so visible an obscure book which might years ago have been passed around furtively among a few dozen men in some American city. Now it's the web and its global community of users which may force Amazon to change its mind about censorship.
This is so fucking depressing that I'm going to go and google for ways of killing myself.
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Old 11-11-10, 02:22 PM
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Way to stand up for what you believe in.

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AMAZON, the world's largest online book retailer, appears to have bowed to public pressure and withdrawn from sale a how-to guide for paedophiles.

The Paedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure was described by the author as an attempt to make paedophile situations safer for the juveniles involved.

It attracted more than 2800 comments on the Amazon website and sparked disbelief and outrage among users of online networking sites such as Twitter. Many Twitter users threatened to boycott Amazon until it banned the book

Advertisement: Story continues below By last night it was no longer possible to buy the e-book, which was previously available for $US4.95 in electronic format, for use on e-book readers such as the Kindle. Access to comments about the book was also blocked.

Earlier the company had defended its decision to host the guide on its website.

In a statement the company said: ''Amazon believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable.

''Amazon does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts, however, we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions.''

The chairwoman of Adults Surviving Child Abuse, Cathy Kezelman, said the book was encouraging a criminal act. Childhood sexual assault affected the physical and emotional development of children, she said, and greatly increased the chance of suicide among victims when they become adults.

''To actually be promoting this sort of behaviour that potentially creates more child victims and more adults that are left struggling day to day to find life worth living is simply atrocious,'' Dr Kezelman said.

Other popular websites such as Facebook have also struggled with offensive online behaviour. Facebook tribute pages for the Melbourne teenager Cameron Lowe, who was punched and died, and the South Australian girl Chantelle Rowe, who was killed in a triple murder, were defaced with obscenities.

The culprits are believed to be international groups known as ''trolls'' who brag about their work on YouTube.

Roger Clarke, an IT policy strategist at the University of NSW, said that with any new technology it took time for the social controls that govern interaction to develop, including individual self-control as well as methods to moderate behaviour.

''Social networking services are less than a decade old … It's natural that it's going to take a while to settle down,'' he said.
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Incidentally, if you want to download it and don't mind having some horrible intrusive site crap on your hard disk forever more: The Paedophile?s Guide to Love and Pleasure rapidshare, megaupload ebook search
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How to guides for pedos? What sort of a person decides they need protips on how to be a pedophile, id be tempted to give it a look to see what exactly it says.
And anycase why'd people go after Amazon and not the publisher? =/

As for the google thing, seems a decent thing to do, I'm surprised that a charity has not offered to pay google for tags to words like suicide already, they'd be allot more effective than dropping flyers about.
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There is a disconnect, rapidly widening, between the speed of technological innovation and the laws set up to govern what goes on in cyberspace. Worse, there's an enormous cultural gulf between the general public and the judiciary, whose job it is to interpret and apply those laws. Ignorant of the nuances of the internet and mistrustful of the milieu from which social media types emerge, our judges are simply not qualified to determine the appropriateness or effect of a jokey tweet. Add a vocal minority of pathologically offended Guardianistas and the state's paranoid obsession with terrorism into the mix and you get a horribly oppressive atmosphere in which irony, subtlety and wit will be crushed.

Paul Chambers, a 26-year-old accountant who has lost two jobs as a result of a joke he posted on Twitter, has now lost his appeal. Circuit Judge Jacqueline Davies upheld the original conviction, which said that the message he posted was "menacing". So Chambers will have to pay a £1,000 fine, around £2,000 in costs and he will have a criminal record for threatening, in jest, to blow up an airport. It is an absurd judgment; Chambers has done nothing wrong. Perhaps that's why Twitter has been ablaze with messages of support, including a somewhat opportunistic offer from Stephen Fry to stump up the cash.

There was a similar, though smaller, outpouring of sympathy yesterday for Tory councillor Gareth Compton, who suggested, perfectly reasonably in my view, that the world would be a better place without Yasmin Alibhai-Brown in it. His mistake was to say so on Twitter: suspended indefinitely from the Conservative Party, Compton is the latest victim of a persecution culture that is emerging from the heavy-handed application of inadequate legislation and a lack of understanding of internet culture and social context.

Alibhai-Brown wasted no time in cooking up silly and sentimental quotes for the press about her daughter being "upset" at Compton's joke, calling it an "incitement to murder" and cynically insinuating that it might have been "racially motivated". If Alibhai-Brown doesn't appreciate the secondary harm her crass attention-seeking and her jaw-droppingly opportunistic, politically motivated posturing have the potential to cause, then she really does deserve the moniker my colleagues over at Telegraph Blogs recently gave her. Because this disingenuous rhetoric of victimhood is the perfect complement to over-enthusiastic police officers and judges who are hopelessly ill-equipped to understand the context of a remark made on a social network.

This isn't just a debate about the erosion of civil liberties: it's also about technology. Increasingly, debate in the public square is being carried out online, on permanent and public social platforms. These platforms are fast-paced, aggressive worlds that encourage rapid-fire debate and quick thinking. They are adversarial by nature, and they show off much of the beauty and colour of the English language. In other words, these platforms are changing the flavour of public discourse - positively, I would argue. At its best, the clever wordplay on Twitter shows our language at its most inventive and amusing.

To crush the sort of humour that social media thrives on from public debate would be to rob it not just of colour but of its essential, and essentially English, character, as the brilliant Heresy Corner blog argued yesterday. Yet that is what's happening, as people become terrified of misspeaking online for fear of righteous opprobrium or, worse, prosecution. Public debate in the age of Twitter risks becoming flattened and stifled by ignorance, humourlessness and control freakery from the establishment, fortified by professional offence-takers eager to misrepresent innocent jokes to further their ideological objectives.

The widening gap between technological advance, internet culture and the law has already led to expensive and pointless absurdities being played out in our courtrooms. That's why the Digital Economy Act originally had a clause in it allowing the Secretary of State to effectively create law as needed to deal with copyright infringers, without having to go through Parliament each time: because the then Business Secretary, Lord Mandelson, realised that the pace of technological change requires a more agile and responsive sort of regulation, with oversight from people better able to understand new technologies and the cultures that spring up around them. Mandelson was, it pains me to say, both perspicacious and forward-thinking in that regard.

So we need more, not less, power in the hands of legislators to react to new developments and define the limits of acceptable public discourse. We need better qualified people applying that law to the digital landscape; people who are not hostage to every special interest group and gobby Left-wing columnist like the last administration was. And we need intervention when the judiciary screws up - which it will again and again, as more of our public discussions shift onto the internet. That takes a degree of trust in our politicians, which is in short supply these days. But the alternative is expensive, unfair and pointless absurdities like Paul Chambers's conviction, which serve no one and achieve nothing.
The law must learn to keep up with technology - Telegraph

I read that Alibhai-Brown thing. Christ how I dislike that woman - and now I've said so we can no doubt look forward to a column explaining it's because I'm a racist, sexist, Tory pig intent on opressing her.
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I read that Alibhai-Brown thing. Christ how I dislike that woman - and now I've said so we can no doubt look forward to a column explaining it's because I'm a racist, sexist, Tory pig intent on oppressing her.
There is a difference between saying "I dislike that goddamn stupid woman" and "the world would be a better place without her". The second may need context before being judged innocuous.

Look at the JFK movie by Stone. According to him, JFK murder happened because some seriously powerful and mysterious people kept meeting and saying "the world would be a better place without him". No one came out and said outright at first - "let's murder him".

Now, of course, those meetings may be nothing more than figments of the fevered imagination of a Hollywood megalomaniac film-maker but the point is overall correct - It might be conceived as an incitment to murder. Emphasis on "might". On twitter, common sense indeed dictates it was no such thing.

Personally, I think the initial case of Paul Chambers far more worrying and insulting. And that he lost on Appeal is a fucking disgrace, a parody of justice - The kind of thing that will always make me think that my own moral judgements and perception of right and wrong are 100x better than that of the judicial machinery.
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There's still a difference between, say, Osama bin Laden saying someone should be stoned to death and a Tory councillor saying it.
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Nothing I said on the Nicky Campbell show was so outrageous that it should provoke such a response from a man who should know better. If I, as a citizen of this country, cannot even express an opinion about human rights and the moral authority of our politicians, what does that say about how equal we are?

Gareth Compton is not an idiot, he knew what he was saying. If I had said, "It would be a blessing if this man was stoned to death," what would happen to me as a Muslim woman in this country?

We are in a post-Jeremy Clarkson universe where men think they can only be men if they insult people; there is a masculinity associated with this rough and anti-politically correct talk. What is so manly about going on Twitter and putting this out about a journalist who is trying to do her job and giving an honest opinion?

This is not just an insult, this is incitement in my eyes. He knows I'm a Muslim – he didn't say "shot," he said "stoned to death". My daughter was distressed but she would not tell me why. "Why do you have to be a journalist?" she asked. "Every time you go to the door, mum, I think someone is going to shoot you."

Of course I do not think I'm going to be stoned when I go outside, but he validates those people who threaten columnists like me, and I cannot accept that. There are a lot of very violent people out there and they think they have the right to threaten me. This guy has made it OK.

I am glad we live in a society where I am freer to speak than in any Muslim country I would be living in. I am grateful.

I question the hypocrites though; there are people who say they believe in freedom of speech, but not for black people or Asian people or Muslim people, who turn into the Taliban when someone upsets their own views.

In which universe does a Tory councillor think it is a joke that the Taliban go around stoning people for expressing themselves? I don't think that is acceptable, and I'm very pleased the Tories have suspended him.
Yasmin Alibhai-Brown: He has validated the haters who think it is OK to threaten me - Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, Commentators - The Independent
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Nothing I said on the Nicky Campbell show was so outrageous that it should provoke such a response from a man who should know better. If I, as a citizen of this country, cannot even express an opinion about human rights and the moral authority of our politicians, what does that say about how equal we are?
He's the one who got arrested, not you. You're free to express your nasty little opinions, he's up before the beak.

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Gareth Compton is not an idiot, he knew what he was saying. If I had said, "It would be a blessing if this man was stoned to death," what would happen to me as a Muslim woman in this country?
You know what? I live for the day when you manage to write one column that isn't about what a fucking calvary being a Muslim woman is.

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We are in a post-Jeremy Clarkson universe where men think they can only be men if they insult people; there is a masculinity associated with this rough and anti-politically correct talk. What is so manly about going on Twitter and putting this out about a journalist who is trying to do her job and giving an honest opinion?
Well that's an offensive, sexist generalisation.

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This is not just an insult, this is incitement in my eyes. He knows I'm a Muslim – he didn't say "shot," he said "stoned to death". My daughter was distressed but she would not tell me why. "Why do you have to be a journalist?" she asked. "Every time you go to the door, mum, I think someone is going to shoot you."
Clearly she's inherited your capacities for overreaction.

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Of course I do not think I'm going to be stoned when I go outside, but he validates those people who threaten columnists like me, and I cannot accept that. There are a lot of very violent people out there and they think they have the right to threaten me. This guy has made it OK.
No, he's been arrested for a joke.

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I am glad we live in a society where I am freer to speak than in any Muslim country I would be living in. I am grateful.
Which is why you're trying to put an end to it?

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I question the hypocrites though; there are people who say they believe in freedom of speech, but not for black people or Asian people or Muslim people, who turn into the Taliban when someone upsets their own views.
Oh the irony.
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