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Old 01-05-10, 06:16 PM
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Swiss stub out their cigarettes – almost

Daniele Mariani and Isobel Leybold-Johnson
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May 1, 2010 - 10:39


A nationwide law aimed at stamping out passive smoking in public spaces in Switzerland came into force on Saturday.

The legislation gives cantons, which have differing approaches to the issue, minimum standards to apply. But some say that it does not go far enough.

Nicole Disler of the Federal Health Office told swissinfo.ch that second-hand smoke was a serious health risk and that the new law would provide protection to non-smokers.

“There is no lower limit where second-hand smoke would not be harmful, and it can cause among other things, lung cancer, cardiovascular diseases, asthma and infections of the respiratory system,” she said in an email.

Some countries, including Swiss neighbours Italy and France, already have a nationwide ban in place. But Switzerland’s federal system, which had left the cantons in charge of the issue, resulted in a more piecemeal approach.

The Italian-speaking southern canton of Ticino was the first to ban smoking three years ago. Other cantons followed suit, with some allowing staffed smoking areas and others permitting small “fumoirs” without service. Some, such as Appenzell Inner Rhodes, did not implement any measures.


Minimum standards

From May 1 smoking will no longer be allowed in public spaces, including bars and restaurants, schools, hospitals and shopping malls, across the country.

But there are exceptions. Catering outlets can set up staffed smoking rooms with ventilation and small locales of up to 80 square metres may remain open for smokers.

“The new law is providing a minimum regulation for the whole country,” Disler said.

Cantons are free to decree additional regulations and those that already have stricter measures can keep them in place.

However, some argue that Switzerland should have one rule for everyone.


People’s initiative

The Swiss Lung League has already gathered 120,000 signatures in favour of a people’s initiative to ban smoking in all indoor public spaces. It also wants to outlaw staffed fumoirs.

Looking at cantonal vote results, the initiative appears to have a good chance. Almost 80 per cent voted in favour of a smoking ban in Ticino when the issue came to the polls in 2006. Last year more than 80 per cent in canton Geneva signalled their approval.

But there is also some opposition. A group of restaurateurs has launched an initiative to allow establishment owners free choice over smoking. But it does not have the support of the umbrella group of the catering industry, Gastrosuisse.

For Angela Tomada, scientific collaborator at the Health Promotion and Assessment Office in canton Ticino, there is another problem with the law.

“It is not at all satisfactory because it does not make the aim of the smoking ban completely concrete, namely to protect staff,” he said.


Ticino’s experience

Ticino has seen positive effects since its ban was enforced, Tomada said.

A survey found that before the ban 15 per cent of employees often complained of headaches and 12.9 per cent said they had to cough frequently. A year later this had fallen to 10.5 per cent and 7.6 per cent respectively.

“It also found that the smoking ban was generally well accepted by customers, employees and owners,” said Tomada.

One of the main arguments against the ban is that it could affect turnover, which was a consideration in the federal law’s exemption clause for small locales.

In Ticino one in five establishments, especially the small and medium-sized ones, has reported lower revenue. But some had already seen a drop before the ban, Tomada pointed out.


Economic impact?

In fact, it is hard to tell how much of an economic impact outlawing smoking has had, especially since there are other factors, such as the economic downturn, he added.

“There have probably been small problems,” Tomada said, adding that landlords who were against the ban tended to give more negative answers than those in favour. Research in other countries has concluded that there was no great economic impact.

But what about smoking habits? “A secondary aspect of the law could be to try to reduce the number of smokers. This has not happened and furthermore research has shown that there are only at most small changes in the short term,” said the expert.

The move has to be considered in a wider context of anti-prevention measures and in the mid-term.

“Overall in the last decade we have in fact seen the number of smokers drop from 32 per cent to 27 per cent,” Tomada said.
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This had to be done. It was clearly an equal opportunity issue.

Until now, Muslim women were disadvantaged in Switzerland ... because smoking under the burqa constitutes a fire hazard.
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Catering outlets can set up staffed smoking rooms with ventilation
These can provide as good an incentive to give up as any I have come across. The airside "ventilated" smoking rooms at Don Muong, Bangkok's former main international airport, were so thick with smoke that if you clapped two bits of buttered bread together, you could make yourself a nicotine sandwich.

Smoking was banned in local bars and pubs here a couple of years ago, and most of them have taken measures to provide roofed open area spaces that still accommodate smokers, like this one:

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my switch from cigarettes to the personal vaporizer remains a success.....haven't had a cigarette since January 25, 2010, the day I got my PV....been so happy with it that I have decided to become a retailer, ordered my inventory from China and just got word it has shipped.....found a nicotine supplier here in the US and have already begun mixing my own brand of eliquid.....



no second hand smoke because there is no first hand smoke.....tastes better, costs less, no carcinogens......
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I stopped smoking cold turkey on 8 May (I think it was) 2003 after 40 years and have never been tempted to start again. But I sometimes talk to smokers who want to quit but have not succeeded.

Several questions, PmP:
  • When you stopped cigarettes, did you change your job or your general habits outside work?
  • Do you live with someone who smokes, or who does not, or other?
  • How does the cost compare with cigarettes?
  • Cigarettes give you something to do with your hands; how does the vapouriser stack up in that respect?
For some years I smoked a pipe, which gives you a whole lot to do with your hands, scraping the bowl, reaming out the stem, packing the bowl, lighting and re-lighting - a familiar ritual that provides equanimity in the face of all sorts of corporate excitement.

Then they banned smoking in office buildings, so a pipe was no longer a convenient accessory in meetings.

Then I finally gave up altogether.
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Then they banned smoking in office buildings, so a pipe was no longer a convenient accessory in meetings.
You had a dream of a pipe, but suddenly it became a pipe dream.
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[*]When you stopped cigarettes, did you change your job or your general habits outside work? - no...one advantage is I am now able to vape in my smoke free office...[*]Do you live with someone who smokes, or who does not, or other? I live with non smokers.....I did not smoke in the house....I am able to vape in the house without bothering my wife....what she smells is akin to an air freshener....[*]How does the cost compare with cigarettes? at the retail level the initial investment was $45....upkeep includes replaceing batteries every four to six months at a cost of $15, replacing cartomizers every one to two weeks at a cost of $2 and eliquid (nicotine suspended in a PG or VG base) about 5ml a week at a cost of $5 or less......compare that with smoking cigarettes a pack a day at $5 or more a pack.[*]Cigarettes give you something to do with your hands; how does the vapouriser stack up in that respect? Identical....you hold it in your hand like a cigarette....you do have to push a button to activate it while you inhale.....it produces a vapor that looks like smoke, though it consists of hydrogen and oxygen as by product of the vaporization.....you experience the same "throat hit" as inhaling nicotine in a cigarette...[/LIST]For some years I smoked a pipe, which gives you a whole lot to do with your hands, scraping the bowl, reaming out the stem, packing the bowl, lighting and re-lighting - a familiar ritual that provides equanimity in the face of all sorts of corporate excitement. I smoked a pipe from 1974 through 2004 and small cigars from 2004 through 2010....I know what you are talking about....I find no disatisfaction from the vaporizer....


here's a pic of someone vaping

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comes in an almost infinite variety of flavors....today I am using Amaretto Stone Sour.....another favorite is Spiced Rum.....I haven't tried it but I have heard great things about German Chocolate Cake.....

if you are a smoker and would like to quit, I suggest

http://shop.nhaler.com/product.sc?pr...5&categoryId=5
for hardware and

http://www.tastyvapor.us/
for liquid....

buy the blank cartomizers and fill with your own liquid instead of getting the prefilled carts with Chinese liquid....they all tend to taste like perfume.....

for lots more information try...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/

oh, and you can customize your nicotine intake....I started in January at 25mg/ml.....now I am using 12 and shifting to 6....
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Thanks, PmP. That gives a new dimension to the push against smoking. I haven't seen products like this promoted in this part of the world, but they sound like an interesting deal.

I am not personally tempted to return to nicotine but I have friends who view giving up as forbiddingly difficult.
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