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Old 21-02-10, 12:48 PM
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Default Carol Sarler: The dressing-up box is a pretty safe place for little girls to play

Carol Sarler: The dressing-up box is a pretty safe place for little girls to play - Commentators, Opinion - The Independent

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When David Cameron declared his stern intention to hammer the heads of any and all advertisers engaged in what he calls the "sexualisation of children", he must have known from get-go that he couldn't put a foot wrong. He knew, for instance, that the broadcasters would supply disproportionately large coverage to his rather vague threat; it's not every day, after all, that they have the chance to pepper their early evening bulletins with such pretty little brassieres – suitably accompanied by censorious voice-overs, just in case anybody might suspect them of enjoying themselves.


He knew, too, that his views would be met with almost impenetrable consensus, at least among the population old enough to vote; he knew because his targets have taken similar batterings countless times in the past few years, and although on each occasion nothing much of any meaningful effect has been done, none the less the outcry has been consistently musical to a political ear.

Boycotts and bans have been urged against retailers for selling T-shirts bearing Playboy bunnies and slogans such as "I love boys – they're stupid"; Tesco had its collar felt by public opinion for flogging weeny toy pole-dancing kits, while Next and even high-street stalwart BHS came under the cosh for lingerie deemed unsuitable for prepubescence.

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Music and entertainment have also traditionally taken their share of the blame. Mr Cameron's personal reluctance to allow his six-year-old daughter Nancy to listen to Lily Allen, while wholly understandable on the grounds of artistic merit, only echoes the condemnation for Britney Spears's "flaunting" of herself dressed as a schoolgirl – even though she was 17 at the time, so at a stretch could actually have been one – and who among us can forget the horror of middle-class mothers when small girls patted their cutely unformed bottoms in time to "The Cheeky Song (Touch My Bum)"?

Lack of originality does not, of course, diminish Mr Cameron's sincerity. Votes aside, he probably does wish, most fervently, to banish all such corrosive influences. Even if his own language on the subject veers to the purple – the "taking away of innocence" that is "so precious" – this is only because fathers of girls are fiercer than anyone on these issues.

Within this sincerity, however, lies the rub: he does not exactly mean what he is saying – any more than, as the examples above demonstrate, any previous fellow agitator exactly meant it either. What they say is that they seek to vanquish the sexualisation of little children; what they mean is the sexualisation of little girls. And the difference matters.

All children, when small sprouts, hold in common a fascination with the adult world. No wonder: it is alarming and tantalising in equal doses, uncharted, unknown, vaguely glamorous, replete with adventure and as devilishly unknown as it is their inevitable, inescapable future.

To make controllable sense of it, they play with it: they play Mummies and Daddies and Doctors and Nurses; they are spies or soldiers or heroes or daredevils or witches or shopkeepers or movie stars or Simon Cowells (yes, really). As part of the process of play, they ape it; they adopt, say, the language or inflection of a soap opera and given half a chance they seize a costume for their drama.

Most women, and a great many men, treasure memories of descending a staircase all grown up in a mother's frock, its hem trailing behind like a wedding train, face skewed by lopsided lipstick. Heaven! In our family we were especially blessed – and certainly our friends thought so – because having parents with a yen for amateur dramatics meant a huge, three-tier make-up box stuffed to its gills with theatrical gloop. By the same token, most men, and a great many women, still recall the childhood feel of the plasticky gun or the bows and arrows with which we could slay Injuns or Nazis or, on a good day, both.

Since then, make-believe has given way to making money. Commerce stepped in, together with its ferocious advertising wing, and whether we like it or not – much like David Cameron, I must say that I do not – the natural, imaginative curiosity of children has been harnessed for exploitation. So be it. If you resent it enough, go and bring about the downfall of capitalism, why don't you.

Thus: toy guns are now expensive replicas of discomfiting accuracy in order that a boy might, to his own eyes at least, better look like a man; toy brassieres – and toys they surely are – are now replicas in such copycat detail that a girl might, to her own eyes at least, better look like a woman. Sad, certainly. But when a small boy shows off to his friends the costly gun that he or his parents have been coerced into buying, nobody thinks that he is rehearsing or preparing to kill somebody. Equally, when a small girl shows off her silly lingerie, she is neither rehearsing nor preparing for real sexual activity; in their own minds, both of them are simply playing at grown-ups. Yet if the boys' and the girls' reaction to their toys is the same, ours is not. And perhaps it should be.

If we can accept that a boy with a pretend gun will not become so conditioned that he automatically grows up to a be a real gun-totin' cowboy, why can we not as easily accept that a girl with a pretend bustier is just as unlikely to grow up to be a real vamp? If politicians do not build campaigns upon the brutalisation of boys, why is the sexualisation of girls fairer political game?

I don't deny that you and I might see a difference between the two purchases; that the absence of flesh inside a functionless bra cup, for instance, serves to heighten awareness of the breast that will one day come along to fill the space. But it does not matter what you and I see; what matters is the perception of the girl wearing it. And just as I attached no overt sexual connotation to the newspaper I shoved into Mum's bra cup when I "borrowed" it, or to the purloined eye shadow, or to the teetering high heels, I am prepared to trust that the nine-year-old girl today reserves the same healthy disdain for the act of, eeeuw, sex that nine-year-olds always have.

In other words, she is not "sexualised" in her eyes; only in ours. Until, that is, we pass it on to her, which is something that "we" – to use the term loosely – do to girls all the time. In a woefully misplaced parody of protection, a girl is constantly warned against risking the attentions of a paedophile – fair enough, as girls are far more at risk than boys – but every time we do it we are also telling her, whether she needs to know it or not, that she is sexually tempting. Ergo: sexual.

We battle the advertisers by trying to dissuade the purchase of the toy dance pole or the saucy T-shirt – which, left to themselves, would probably have all the lasting appeal of the Cheeky Girls – because, we say, she'll look like a slut. A what? Oh, I see. Very sexual.

We quote self-appointed experts, who swear that a child's Playboy bunny T-shirt is not just a picture of a rabbit in a dickie but a harbinger of everything from low self-esteem to anorexia – with no supporting evidence – and once again the little girl, listening in, hears herself described in sexual terms.

Now we run election campaigns by introducing more of the same: look at that television, little girl, see the tea-time news! There's that nice Mr Cameron, saying that you are "sexualised".

But the obsession with sex is ours; it is the suspiciously seedy product of adult minds. A cynic might even suggest that our noisy disapproval actually permits us to revel in it further, to bask in titillation from the safe grandstand of the higher moral ground.

But the greater good could probably be served, at least to our daughters, by revelling rather less; by down-grading sex from relentless political attention, dubious psychological analysis and prurient debate in favour of the light-hearted family joke, the brusque dismissal of the please-Mum (nine-year-old girls don't buy their own lingerie), the waiting-out of passing fashion and the offering of a distraction of greater interest. A huge, three-tier make-up box, perhaps, stuffed with theatrical gloop?
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Does this problem actually exist or is it "the suspiciously seedy product of adult minds"? If the latter, the sooner that seedy adult minds are consigned to the Gulag, the better.
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If you want to reduce the UK population to about 38, sure...
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Originally Posted by Zichao View Post
But when a small boy shows off to his friends the costly gun that he or his parents have been coerced into buying, nobody thinks that he is rehearsing or preparing to kill somebody.
Erm, actually, there have been very numerous complaints, in various shape or form, making that very case... Although, that might have morphed from the feminist/liberal/peace mvt of the 70s into the general hatred we see nowadays directed at violent movies and computer games ...

With regards to the article, I am very tempted to agree, especially because I've seen little kids behaving from up-close and I don't think any of it matters really as to how they'll turn out. But this goes to the feminist point of societal shaping of the acceptable. Are these little girls just playing at being mommy (fine), playing at being a liberated woman (fine) or playing at being a slut (advantegeous for men, really, if we were logical about it, albeit not comfortable for fathers AND, i suspect, not fine for most)...
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The article is IMO very naive and doesn;lt understand what the sriticism it claims to reject is really about. When children play at doing what adults do, which of course is inevitable and normal, it's not surprising that some of the things they ape are sexual, or would be sexual in an adult. But the adults they imitate, usually the mother in this case, may be many things that are not related to sexuality. The problem arises when the adulthood they are given to imitate is purely defined in sexual terms. Just as it was a problem when it was defined primarily in terms of being what amounted to a domestic servant, all washing and cooking and having a hot dinner and a bright smile ready when hubby got home from work.
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But the adults they imitate, usually the mother in this case, may be many things that are not related to sexuality. The problem arises when the adulthood they are given to imitate is purely defined in sexual terms.
How do you tell the difference?

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Just as it was a problem when it was defined primarily in terms of being what amounted to a domestic servant, all washing and cooking and having a hot dinner and a bright smile ready when hubby got home from work.
Have you been in a big toy store recently? I have. As you know, we don't see eye-to-eye with regards to all that feminist stuff (still waiting to be told how Lady Gaga's hips moves are different from Shakira's, btw) but I was astounded by the poverty of choices for girls. Dolls, yes. Every conceivable doll was there. Dinner sets, yes. And a few animal-related stuff toys (cats and horses and a family of mice from a TV show, i think). And that was that. Princess' dresses as well. Compared with the wide ranging choices for boys (from intellectual stuff such as puzzle or chemistry sets to physical stuff and incl. all your classical toy guns and military stuff), I thought that was rather pathetic and sending very wrong signals.

I mean, puzzles and chemistry sets are not meant to be gender specific. So why is there none of it in the girl section and it's all in the boy section?
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What, they didn't have toy washing up sets and toy ironing sets? The choice is very poor.
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Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais View Post
How do you tell the difference?
Isn't it totally obvious?

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I am absoluetly not going to stoop to such a fatuous reduction of ths argument.

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I mean, puzzles and chemistry sets are not meant to be gender specific. So why is there none of it in the girl section and it's all in the boy section?
You're the one insisting there is no problem, you tell me.
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Originally Posted by contracycle View Post
Isn't it totally obvious?
Not to me. A little girl who steal mommy's little black dress doesn't strike me as thousands of mile away from a little girl who insist on wearing "pretty little brassieres" and use newspapers to fill in the cusps...

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I am absoluetly not going to stoop to such a fatuous reduction of ths argument.
How convenient. OK. What's so different between the two artists, in general? As i said, one is clearly using fetish imagery while the other isn't but that asides?

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You're the one insisting there is no problem, you tell me.
I never quite said there was no problem. Like the OP, I just don't think that little girls wanting to imitate popstars mean they're all going to turn into sluts and slappers when they are 15... (we should be so lucky!). So Mr Cameron can relax, his daughter's precious virginity is not being put at risk by evil Lilly Allen...

I also think that little kids want to belong and want to imitate big stereotypey things. I believe that most little boys are more aggressive than most little girls. But it doesn't mean that I think little girls should not be given the same wide spectrum of role models and possibilities as boys... I would even go further. A little bit of gentle re-orientation isn't a crime if a little girl gets too obsessed with her "pink princess" phase...
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Originally Posted by Gilles de Rais View Post
Not to me. A little girl who steal mommy's little black dress doesn't strike me as thousands of mile away from a little girl who insist on wearing "pretty little brassieres" and use newspapers to fill in the cusps...
And what's that got to do with mommy's job as an architect or an artist or a lawyer?

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How convenient. OK. What's so different between the two artists, in general? As i said, one is clearly using fetish imagery while the other isn't but that asides?
See previous.

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I never quite said there was no problem.
Well if you don't mind your daughters having much more restrocted lives than your sons, I guess there isn't.

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I also think that little kids want to belong and want to imitate big stereotypey things.
Adult things, not stereotypey things. And that will of course include things like sex and relationships, but it shouldn't be limited to them.
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